Microsoft: You already have naked PCs!

Daily Newsletters

Sign up to ZDNet UK's daily newsletter.

About this blog

ZD Staff

Communication Breakdown

Communications from the world of, er, communications. And other stuff.

Microsoft has responded to our request for comment after a "free-market" EU thinktank, the Globalisation Institute, recommended that all PCs in Europe should be sold without a preinstalled operating system (see the story here and our leader commentary here).

"You can buy a PC with no OS, with Windows or with Linux, or indeed a Mac with the Mac OS so all such options are available and consumers make the choice already," said a spokesperson, before dropping in a comment that never fails to set off alarm bells for any hack: "I am not sure what the angle here is for you."

Move along! Nothing to see here! Keep your eyes on the road! A sure sign, if I've ever seen one, that Microsoft is very keen for this suggestion to never darken its door again. Of course, as our own investigations showed earlier this year, it is nigh on impossible to buy a new PC without shelling out the so-called "Windows tax".

That, I would posit, is our angle.

We also got a response from Commissioner Kroes' office, which stated that the EC is "aware of" the Institute's proposals, but has "no comment at this time on whether such an initiative would be required by the competition rules". Watch this space...

Talkback

Bundling is OK. What needs to be declated illegal is Windows being sold tied to a particular computer. Every computer with Windows preinstalled should come with install disks. If you have bought Windows OEM or otherwise, you should be able to re-install it on a new computer, as a vitrual machine on the same or a new computer, provided you only use it on one machine at a time. Windows product deactivation and the requirement to re-register should be banned unless Windows is installed on more than one machine at the same time.

Why should you be forced to buy another copy of Windows when you upgrade your hardware? That is just bonkers!

I think this EU action is long overdue.

SPM 25 September, 2007 15:42
Reply

If they force the naked PC will they apply the same to Macs? Especially since they can now run windows since they moved over to Intel. Shouldn't you be able to buy a naked mac and choose to install Vista instead of OSX?

Having worked in tech support in the past I'd hate to be supporting a company that sold naked PCs to the average consumer - the amount of hassle from customers not able to or botching an OS install would be a nightmare. For the average user a pre-installed OS is a good thing. For those with a bit more know-how they should be smart enough to shop around and buy a naked PC or one with the OS they want already installed.

I never buy a pre-built PC anyway, I build my own to my own spec that way I get what I want and at a lower price. The only time I don't have that option is when buying a laptop and then I still have a choice depending on the model.

David Long 28 September, 2007 10:21
Reply

I see the problem is that most consumers, especially in the home market, do not realize they have other options. To complicate that, they have probably never used anything besides Microsoft OS going back to DOS 1.25.

In CA State Govt. we are required to purchase from a specific vendor and contract that the movie guy in charge had setup. In most cases, again, MS is the only option even though not necessarily the best solution or cost effective solution.

mlw007 28 September, 2007 22:46
Reply

Apples and Gourds...

Apple builds (and has designed all along) BOTH the hardware and the software, so there is no conflict of interest (unlike the case with Microsquash) and no reason to force product separation.

The main problem is completely price based. The only way to really fix it is to force MS to sell their software at one price for everybody. It may not be capitalism, but it's fair.

For OEMs like Dell who ship directly to the customer, the customer can choose to have the OS pre-installedand get the full MS install DVD and an OEM driver disc, or get the PC cheaper without one.

All retail stores always get bare PCs and can install and configure the MS OS in-house for the customer for a nominal fee.

Everybody (but Microsquash) wins.

Ground Under 28 September, 2007 23:13
Reply

This post has been removed by a moderator.

For anyone smart enough to be able to build their own PCs then, yes, there is a choice. However try buying a brand name notebook without Windows - nigh on impossible. The argument is that most customers want Windows anyway so it's cheaper to just have it preinstalled.
Incidentally, HPs now come without disks and without the OS installed but you still have to pay the MS tax. There's a sticker on the back and the OS is installed on startup from a script in a hidden disk partition. Why not just remove the sticker and then there's no license?
The answer is that MS has strongarmed the manufacturers to installing on EVERY shipment and that is the behaviour that should be outlawed

Oh, and let me reuse a license from a dead PC too.

1000030281 29 September, 2007 03:28
Reply

Post your comment

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

You can also log in with Facebook. Log in or create your ZDNet UK account below

  • Login

Will not be displayed with your comment

By signing up for this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understood our Privacy Policy. Questions about membership? Find the answers in the Community FAQ

Get ZDNet UK's daily newsletter

Enter your email address to sign up

ZDNet UK Live

apexwm

NanWag : A Windows Server 2008 is being used because the environment that the Macs are in is a heavy Windows environment. I am proposing that...

30 minutes ago by apexwm on Windows Server 2008 drops the ball for Mac compatibility
BellamysIT

Really good article. You bring to light a few really good things. However, isn't it true that over 70% of fortune 500 companies use sharepoint?...

31 minutes ago by BellamysIT on Designing a SharePoint farm: Tiers before bedtime
annonymous2

If Piratebay is a crime then so is borrowing a dvd you purchased to a family member or a friend. Why should we not be aloud to share. Most of the...

2 hours ago by annonymous2 on UK ISPs ordered to block Pirate Bay website
NanWag

File Services For Macintosh was causing Excel to prompt for Overwriting changes or Save Another Copy because it was changing the timestamp on the...

3 hours ago by NanWag on Windows Server 2008 drops the ball for Mac compatibility
Regis Machado

creative cloud $48/month in the USA, £48/month in the UK ($79). good for the competitors

5 hours ago by Regis Machado via Facebook on Adobe move promotes piracy
Tom Espiner

Hello KosGirl, Good question. I've asked Belfius for a response. The latest post I can find on Pastebin about it is here:...

5 hours ago by Tom Espiner on Hackers hold bank to ransom over stolen data
KosGirl

Have there been any further updates to this story? I can't find any information on whether the hackers released the data or not.

6 hours ago by KosGirl on Hackers hold bank to ransom over stolen data
SandJ

I have done 7 speed tests this morning on different speed test tools. They tell me my download speed is: 12.3, 12.3, 12.3, 11.1, 12.7, 12.7, 11.7...

7 hours ago by SandJ on Watchdog: TalkTalk's broadband speed test misled users
Jack Schofield

@Mary Microsoft could always send Mozilla a spec sheet and oblige them to meet the same standards as IE. Then Mozilla can spend millions of...

10 hours ago by Jack Schofield on Windows RT browsers and the point of Windows RT
goth1csnake3

Not before time, that people making films,dvd's get whats coming to them. Well done, Virgin Media.

12 hours ago by goth1csnake3 on Virgin Media: Spotify deal will bring down piracy
Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe

Apex - the question then is what about letting the user choose to have a tablet where they don't have to have that responsibility? why can't the...

22 hours ago by Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe on Windows RT browsers and the point of Windows RT
Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe

Moley, Apex, thanks; I think there's an interesting other dimension of choice - the choice to have a platform that is 'locked down' in the sense...

22 hours ago by Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe on Mozilla accuses Microsoft of shutting Firefox out of WOA
Yellowcave

Not surprised. I once used the methods to let my firewall just notify me of breaches. Not one single logged event was genuine. Once, we all...

1 day ago by Yellowcave on Mobile porn filters catch innocent content, says report
duplex

live realy sucks in facebook becuase people hack your profile

1 day ago by duplex on Irish watchdog: Facebook privacy still falls short
Ed Macnair

If only it was that simple. When you start accessing Cloud applications you are stuck with the security model the vendor provides...........unless...

1 day ago by Ed Macnair via Facebook on IT security? You're doing it wrong!
Phil at Cloud4

Another good updaet, I have enjoyed going on the journey reading this series on SharePoint 2010 and have learned alot. Great writing.

1 day ago by Phil at Cloud4 on Designing a SharePoint farm: Tiers before bedtime
muteen

roumers of an ipad Mini, isnt that just an iTouch!?

1 day ago by muteen on Apple rebrands iPad 4G as 'Wi-Fi + Cellular' for UK
apexwm

Thanks for this article and bringing this issue to light. Unfortunately this type of activity is common not only with Adobe, but many other...

1 day ago by apexwm on Adobe move promotes piracy
Andy Bolstridge

there's a very thin line between tax avoidance and tax efficiency - earning £850 a month and claiming dividends to bring my income up to normal...

1 day ago by Andy Bolstridge via Facebook on The Idle Self-employed
Andy Bolstridge

I see that they are happy to announce these numbers.. but no-one will take any notice until they start announcing sales numbers too.

1 day ago by Andy Bolstridge via Facebook on Microsoft's score card for Smoked by Windows Phone

Community highlights

BarryGill

Darth Vader brought his own device...

Blog Post A few weeks ago I wrote a blog piece called "Bring Your Own Delusion (BYOD)"....

16 May, 2012 by BarryGill
Jack Schofield

Mobile phone sales dip while smartphones boom

Blog Post Worldwide sales of mobile phones to end users fell by 2 percent to 419.1...

16 May, 2012 by Jack Schofield
First Take

HTC One V

Blog Post HTC's One range of handsets comprises three models. There's the flagship HTC...

16 May, 2012 by First Take
Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe

Contribute, contract; endorse? Technology reputations

Blog Post Technology companies need to be careful about who and what they're seen to...

16 May, 2012 by Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe