Open source faces hurdles in the cloud

Daily Newsletters

Sign up to ZDNet UK's daily newsletter.

Q&A

As companies gain ground in cloud computing, a debate is growing over the extent to which cloud companies should collaborate on open standards and open source to protect customers from vendor lock-in.

In July, a consortium of cloud companies launched the OpenStack scheme to spur the debate and give the cloud industry extra impetus. Companies are discussing the value of opening up: some are worried it could hurt their competitive advantage, while others see it as an opportunity.

ZDNet UK recently spoke to Nathaniel Borenstein, one of the co-creators of the integral internet communications protocol Mime and chief scientist at Mimecast, a cloud-based email management and security services provider. One of Borenstein's main jobs at Mimecast is looking at trends, patterns and movements to work out what the cloudspace could look like in 2020.

Q: At Mimecast, you're working on predicting the space — and the opportunities — for 2020. What do you see for the cloud?
A: I think that the market imperative that causes large vendors to dominate most tech areas is not going away for the cloud. In fact, it might even be stronger, because a cloud provider in the UK could serve the entire world.

I do expect it to be dominated by a number of large vendors, but I do think some of the large vendors will dominate very specific niches. I think that come 2020 there will be not that many cloud vendors, but I don't expect our competitors to be only doing what they're doing now.

I think there are some adjacent areas that, very naturally, connect. For example, what is a logical closure, in the mathematical sense, of what Mimecast does? No specific products, but things like doing for other forms of communication what we currently do for email. Or adding email services other than the ones we currently have.

Read this

Claudio Da Rold graphic

Nine ways the cloud will transform IT sourcing

Organisations already buy their IT in a number of ways, but none of those models will emerge unscathed from the impact of cloud computing, says Claudio Da Rold

Read more

Is it right to go for open standards across the cloud industry, as OpenStack has recently committed to?
I think it depends on the application, I really do. They're [OpenStack] providing a virtualised environment in the cloud for running applications more under your control — standards for that, I can see how they can work and they make sense.

But in our [Mimecast's] case, I can imagine some standards that might help a little bit, but the fact is email is pretty well established. In the Microsoft world, it's a PST file; in Linux world, it's a TAR file.

And what about open source within the cloud industry?
The open-source movement started in the 1980s after computing had had a couple of decades to figure out "this is an OS, this is a mail tool". We know now that cloud computing requires a lot of different programming skills. We've found a lot of the open-source would not fit in the cloud, because it wasn't efficient enough.

I was surprised at this when I came to Mimecast... I'm a big believer in open source, but I don't believe it's a panacea. I don't believe it cures everything. I try to avoid extremes here.

I do think that in the cloud world it is likely that a lot of vendors will have a lot of their intellectual property wrapped up in one place in the world — their own servers. That may not be that useful to other people. And [for the company], that's like open-sourcing your wallet.

Rackspace's head of cloud Fabio Torlini has said that open-sourcing some of Rackspace's core intellectual property — file servers and file storage — was "a win/win situation for our competitors". However, the company went ahead and did it because it believes it will have a competitive advantage when it comes to the development of the software, even if it's open source. What do you say to that?
I'm sure there are some things that this is true for, but to the extent that our system is all devoted to a single major purpose — email — it may be hard to extract bits of general utility. But if we open-sourced the whole thing...

Talkback

The one thing that concerns me about "the cloud" is security. I left Microsoft software because of poor security, and I would have a very hard time going back to them, because they still don't have it right. It is better, but still has a lot of vulnerabilities. Now you can argue that it is the user's fault all you want, but the fact remains the holes are in the software, and blaming the user for not having an up to date anti virus, or no firewall running doesn't change anything.

ator1940 30 July, 2010 13:40
Reply

Post your comment

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

You can also log in with Facebook. Log in or create your ZDNet UK account below

  • Login

Will not be displayed with your comment

By signing up for this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understood our Privacy Policy. Questions about membership? Find the answers in the Community FAQ

Get ZDNet UK's daily newsletter

Enter your email address to sign up

ZDNet UK Live

dede0202

Hello ALL USERS OF THE PIRATE BAY I WOULD PUT AN EXPLANATION ON PIRACY Story Idea ILLIGALE AND SHARING THOSE THAT NET Dissent NOT WELL BUT TO CA...

5 hours ago by dede0202 on The Pirate Bay infringes copyright, High Court decides
Sungwoo

do You know that? it can install 4G Ram. So i buy 4g and install It work! I can run call of duty 4,6,7 [Modern war... 1,2,3] Call of duty 1 was...

6 hours ago by Sungwoo on Loose Ends - Upgrading the Aspire One 522
itsajob

2. Bad idea. Making up patch cables loses you your commission from the cable supplier. 3. If you tidy up, other people can understand where the...

12 hours ago by itsajob on Ten IT jobs to save up for those rare lulls
Roberto_Store

Now On Sale, Unlocked iPhone 4S / Galaxy Note In Factory Box. Roberto-Techie(UK) ”Now on Sales” Smartphone, Android,Tablets,Gadget &...

16 hours ago by Roberto_Store on Samsung Galaxy S III lined up for sale
Paul Smyth

Is this classic FUD? One thing I would definitely have notice is a Mozilla threat to stop supporting GNU/Linux.

18 hours ago by Paul Smyth via Facebook on Firefox rapid release improves Fedora Linux
UnderINK

I agree with the previous commenter wholeheartedly. I couldn't say it better myself. This is very 'Big Brother'. And while I agree with protecting...

22 hours ago by UnderINK on European e-identity plan to be unveiled this month
Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe

Nice to see that Turing's idea of a general purpose computer doing once-hardware-powered tasks in software is now universal ;-) Mary

1 day ago by Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe on Software with everything
Jason Burchell

seriously now. I've only bothered to read a small bit of the comments. do me and the rest of the world a favour. stop saying it does not work or...

1 day ago by Jason Burchell via Facebook on Music industry negotiating over 24-bit downloads
Philip Charles Cohen

Read about it and weep, John Donahoe ... In addition to Visa’s V.me, there is now MasterCard’s PayPass digital wallet soon to arrive; another...

1 day ago by Philip Charles Cohen via Facebook on PayPal takes phone-based payments to the high street
apexwm

Leslie Satenstein : Where have you ever seen Mozilla even mention this? Firefox is the most popular browser in the GNU/Linux OS, so I don't see...

1 day ago by apexwm on Firefox rapid release improves Fedora Linux
songmaster

SHleG: Do you remember building a clockwork scorpion kit (I'm pretty sure I have a photo of it somewhere) — I think it was called something like...

2 days ago by songmaster on Software with everything
Chris Wortman

Good I love Yahoo! Their search engine is getting better than Google as of late. I find more of what I want on the first page, and usually within...

2 days ago by Chris Wortman via Facebook on Linux Mint 13 ramps up for KDE release
PatrickG

openhgs has made the point for Windows 8 multiple monitors without realising it! With Windows 7 you have to switch the mouse and so your focus...

2 days ago by PatrickG on Windows 8 could speed multi-monitor uptake
Leslie Satenstein

Mozilla has threatened to stop supporting Linux. I guess that UBUNTU is going with another browser. I indicated that if Mozilla stops supporting...

2 days ago by Leslie Satenstein via Facebook on Firefox rapid release improves Fedora Linux
Andy Bolstridge

Much as I abhor Microsoft's licensing practices, this is almost certainly down to purchasing IT equipment via 3rd party consultants - you get the...

2 days ago by Andy Bolstridge via Facebook on 6 million wasted licences and £1,200 PCs: welcome to government IT
Jack Schofield

@openhgs Windows users have had multiple desktops since Linus started writing Linux. They just haven't shipped as standard because not enough...

2 days ago by Jack Schofield on Windows 8 could speed multi-monitor uptake
Jack Schofield

@Phil at Cloud4 What, Microsoft gets £1,200 per PC and £1,622 per server? Gosh, I'm amazed....

2 days ago by Jack Schofield on 6 million wasted licences and £1,200 PCs: welcome to government IT
craigsc

You guys have no idea what is going on at Autonomy. Autonomy could have been a much more profitable organization. The sales operations at Autonomy...

2 days ago by craigsc on HP cuts 27,000 staff as Autonomy chief Lynch leaves
Moley

How does this impact on dual or multi booting? Seems to me to more or less prohibit this, from Windows 8 anyway. Will Grub 2 recognise Windows 8,...

2 days ago by Moley on Windows 8 start-up speed forces USB boot workaround
apexwm

I don't understand why there cannot be a slight pause during the boot process so the user can press a key. Many operating systems do this, even if...

3 days ago by apexwm on Windows 8 start-up speed forces USB boot workaround