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...Microsoft will take the notion far enough. Add-ons such as Windows Live and Office Live are one thing, but some have questioned whether it's a good idea for Microsoft to also prepare ad-supported versions of existing software.

"To us, it is clear that Microsoft understands the need for software as a service using AdCenter for monetisation. But how quickly the company can respond is unclear and how far it is prepared to drive this approach is also unclear," Goldman Sachs analyst Rick Sherlund said in a report earlier this week.

On the marketing front, Bradford says the next step is making the ads more palatable to the consumers that are viewing them. All of this ad-supported stuff won't work if people feel overwhelmed.

"We don't want people to 'put up' with the ads," Bradford said. Instead, the goal is that the ads are so targeted that people see the ads as a relevant part of what they are doing. "We don't want anybody to feel bad about the ads they are getting. Today sometimes you do," she said.

Today's search ads make no distinction of who is doing the searching. "Right now, we're just fire-hosing everybody," Bradford said. She pointed to how much more useful it might be for a mobile phone carrier, say, to know who is searching for "mobile phone". If the person is in their 20s, a ringtone ad might be a good idea, while for a 40-year-old, a pitch for a new rate plan might be a better bet.

Winfield said that Microsoft's demographic abilities are far from perfect, but says even information that is 25 percent accurate is useful.

"I'd still rather that, than the zero percent Google is giving," he said.

The added feature would not be enough for Whitfield to switch all his marketing funds away, however. "That doesn't mean I am going to stop advertising on Google or Yahoo. They have the ad reach," he said.

Personalisation or privacy invasion?
Yahoo, for its part, has some targeted options when it comes to display and banner advertising, but a representative said the company is still weighing the privacy concerns of offering something similar to what Microsoft is doing.

"Audience intelligence may be something that's of value to our advertisers and we're testing a number of ways to look into that," the Yahoo representative said.

Google said it is sticking with its approach of targeting its ads based on the context of the search query, rather than using demographic information of the person doing the searching.

"We believe the targeting capabilities we offer today provide advertisers with the greatest return and result in the highest quality user experience," Google spokesman Michael Mayzel said.

Although rivalry with Google is often cited as the main impetus behind Microsoft's ad push, Yahoo is the most likely to feel the first impact from Microsoft's AdCenter. Yahoo currently supplies most of the keyword-related search ads to Microsoft's MSN Web portal under a deal that runs until next June.

Microsoft has said its goal with the current trial of AdCenter is to generate up to a quarter of those MSN results using its own tool and it expects to reach that capacity soon, Bradford said. "We have a long line of people that want to get in the pilot," Bradford said.

Yahoo, for its part, has seen the writing on the wall. The company is looking to areas outside its MSN relationship, such as an expansion of its Yahoo Publisher Network program, in which it delivers self-serve ads to small- and mid-sized publishers. That program, a rival to Google's AdSense, has been in limited beta testing since August.

"We see significant growth opportunities next year regardless of any particular relationships," the Yahoo representative said.

Bradford, meanwhile, is looking beyond search. The next goal for AdCenter will be to serve up display ads for Windows Live and Office Live. From there, Microsoft has its eyes set on sending ads to mobile devices and Xboxes.

"It's not just about in your PC with your browser open," Bradford said.

Talkback

Eh, privacy anyone?

I don't know about you but getting ads on your PC screen based on your Internet searches is one thing.

Getting targeted ads on your PC, Mobile and XBox thanks to, perhaps, cross-linking personal data from your credit-cards, registration information, MSN behaviour, on-line subscriptions, DRM purchases, centralized controlled certificate authorizations, WindowsUpdate downloads, Genuine Windows validation checks, purchased license details and what not goes a bit far in my book. Likely not all at once but what's to stop a big thing that's going on to grow larger and larger? The Justice department? Civil rights groups? Politicians?

Sure, there will be ways to not let that happen to you but the average person is likely to agree to some EULA or whatever sooner or later that'll allow enough control over your personal data to make money from. And maybe the governments won't agree with it someday should they found out that certain laws have been stepped on but then it'll take years in court to settle it somewhat.

Ah well. Maybe privacy isn't something consumers and customers should value that much. After all, well data-mined privacy data is a valuable company asset for those that can turn it into hard cash. And no doubt sooner or later some research will surfice that'll show the economical and security benefits of it all. Just to explain all (political) worries away or whatever else needs to be explained away at that moment in time. Who knows, this might just be "market demand".

via Facebook 14 November, 2005 22:23
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I will do my utmost to block MS getting my demographics (unless they give me a free OS). I get sick of "upselling" and the like on websites so I resist.

Email an enemy this page ;o)

via Facebook 15 November, 2005 21:40
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