Ballmer: Longhorn is 'disruptive - but worth it'

Daily Newsletters

Sign up to ZDNet UK's daily newsletter.

NEWS
Speaking at the company's annual partner conference in Toronto on Tuesday, Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer argued that promising a delivery date for Longhorn that the company couldn't actually hit would be unfair for customers and partners and would make the whole Windows upgrade cycle even more painful.

"We are going to be as transparent as we can be, but we are not promising a final ship date today," he said.

Microsoft has been persistently vague on when the various server and desktop versions of Longhorn will ship, with the year 2007 the most precise estimate so far. Speaking at the conference earlier this week, Paul Flessner, senior vice president of Microsoft's Server Platform Division, also refused to be drawn on an exact release date.

Ballmer confirmed earlier rumours that the delays to the release of the latest update to Windows XP, Service Pack 2 (SP2), had an impact on the schedule for Longhorn, conceding that, "SP2 didn't help the Longhorn schedule," he said.

SP2 was due to ship this month, but earlier this week Microsoft confirmed that the release to manufacturing date had been pushed back to August. This is the second time that Microsoft has delayed SP2, which was originally expected in June. Earlier this year, Microsoft said that the update would be delayed until this month.

The company gave no reasons for most recent delay. Last month, a number of Windows enthusiast Web sites reported that Microsoft had run into compatibility problems between SP2 and other software.

The Microsoft chief was in as vociferous form as ever at the Microsoft Worldwide Partner conference in Toronto, but held off from the stage-dancing that has characterised some of his previous performances, limiting his movements to an aggressive combination of air-punching and fist-clenching.

Ballmer said Longhorn represents a large "step function" in invention which would be disruptive for companies and partners, but that periods of intense innovation, followed by incremental improvements, were the nature of the software industry.

"The software industry is lumpy," he said. "These kinds of step functions are disruptive but the day we ignore them is the day someone else is going to invest in the step functions."

Ballmer told the audience of partners and independent software developers that the disruption around Longhorn would be worth it as Microsoft is attempting to "enable a new wave of applications" with the release.

"I would encourage you not to miss this wave," he said.

He admitted that the company has work to do when it comes to its product road map. "We are not that good at scheduling. We are not as bad as some but we are not as good as others should be."

Talkback

Isn't the fact that migration to Linux is disruptive one of the arguments Microsoft uses against Linux?

So why is Longhorn different?

Why will it be so expensive?

Why should I care? I use Linux, it is cheap, secure and far more user friendly (to me anyway) than Windows. I actually want to know what goes on behind the Wizards...

via Facebook 13 July, 2004 18:56
Reply

microsoft would argue that windows is more user friendly since you "don't need to know what goes on behind the wizards" - yeh right, and my winkie's a banjo

via Facebook 14 July, 2004 00:17
Reply

If you move to Linux you can't run MS Office and no IT Director who wants to keep his job is going to ditch the productivity tool that all his employees and senior execs are familiar with, or the tool that all the suppliers, partners and competitors are using.

As soon as a senior exec finds he can't do something on OpenOffice that he/she can do in MS Office its game over for whoever suggested the move, no matter how much it saves in licensing costs.

Linux will never make it onto the desktop in buisiness.

via Facebook 14 July, 2004 01:58
Reply

Ever heard of Crossover Office? Or WINE?

Open Office and Star Office are 90+% compatible with MS Office, just a hell of a lot cheaper! The 10% that isn't compatible is only used by 10% of the users anyway.

What version of MS Office lets you convert your document to pdf or Flash? What version of Office saves in XML format that can be read by non-Microsoft software?

via Facebook 14 July, 2004 08:43
Reply

Open Office/Star Office and the Linux desktop will struggle head on with Microsofts multimedia desktop and office applications. But if the requirement for a user is to use a word processor/spreadsheet etc, internet access then as an IT professional it would be foolish to discount the movements made in the Linux arena. Both have their own spaces and should be implemented according to what the requirement is and what best fits.
I feel the Linux desktop will gain credability but not before 2006.
Also with Ballmers comments about Longhorn being disruptive, again the IT professional needs to understand exactly why and then assess if Microsoft or a Linux infrastructure is required taking into account TCO and ROI.

via Facebook 14 July, 2004 08:49
Reply

>>Open Office and Star Office are 90+% compatible with MS Office, just a hell of a lot cheaper! The 10% that isn't compatible is only used by 10% of the users anyway.

WordPerfect Office and Lotus Smart Suite are (or were) 90% compatible and much cheaper, but (almost) no businesses use those either.

MS Office has become a standard - new staff can enter a company and get to grips with email/documents/spreadsheets without needing additional training. The cost of training and supporting users on unfamiliar systems, plus the loss of productivity while they learn is more than the cost of the software.

What do you do with the 10% of users who have lost a vital feature? As this is one of the more obscure features, it is probably one that results in large savings of time. Do you leave them with MS Office and incur the headache of supporting two systems? Or take MS Office away and make them do it the hard way?

I don't think companies want to be seen as 'cheap' on IT (efficient/competitive but not cheap). If anything goes wrong it will be blamed on 'cheapness'. If you can't collaborate with a partner/supplier/customer because you run a 'cheap' office suite, they will regard you as a 'cheap' company.

>>What version of MS Office lets you convert your document to pdf or Flash? What version of Office saves in XML format that can be read by non-Microsoft software?

MS Office may not be better (though it is, and you can easily install a pdf printer drive and convert any office document to pdf) - that is not my point. No matter how much better/cheaper the alternative, business is not going to move away from MS Office. IT departments are loathe enough to roll out new versions of MS Office (in case there are training or compatibility issues), even though they already 'own' them (due to the lisencing changes MS pushed through).

via Facebook 14 July, 2004 13:19
Reply

if you dont know whats going on behind the wizards you have only yourself to blame. MS gives you mutliple ways to do just about everything and if you would rather not use the wizard - so be it.

It is amazing how little consideration the linux advocates give to the business that is using the technology.

via Facebook 15 July, 2004 17:58
Reply

Longhorn will give up the only reason people could have for staying with Windows - application compatability. It effectively puts itself in the same position as GNU/Linux systems in that regard -- in fact, possibly worse as we already have WINE.

The first apps to be ported will no doubt be MS ones. The old ones won't work, so if you want to stay with MS Office, you'll have to upgrade for that reason (along with the Longhorn upgrade). And, even by then, I bet they won't have added any decent features to it (like they haven't since the days of Win 3.1). Word still sucks on graphic inclusion even now, just as it did with version 6.0. And there still isn't a PDF export, etc. But, hey, at least Clippy will work under Longhorn -- you'll just need a supercomputer to run it...

via Facebook 9 August, 2004 12:28
Reply

MS Office has been thoroughly tested under Wine. Running Linux does not mean giving up Office.

via Facebook 11 August, 2004 06:32
Reply

Post your comment

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

You can also log in with Facebook. Log in or create your ZDNet UK account below

  • Login

Will not be displayed with your comment

By signing up for this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understood our Privacy Policy. Questions about membership? Find the answers in the Community FAQ

Get ZDNet UK's daily newsletter

Enter your email address to sign up

ZDNet UK Live

Freebies202

Duplicate comments are not made intentionally. Its very good to know that now you are keeping check on this problem because sometimes a commenter...

1 hour ago by Freebies202 on Microsoft fixes blog comments, speeds up blogs with open source
kevinmchapman

"the very significant number of users" and "many (most) of us" - you have no evidence for these statements. It is a fact that most users are saying...

9 hours ago by kevinmchapman on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Marg Menzies Harrison

Another grammar faux pas is the improper use of "you". When sitting down down in a restaurant, for example, I get cringe when the waitress...

11 hours ago by Marg Menzies Harrison via Facebook on 10 flagrant grammar mistakes that make you look stupid
zdnetukuser

And NOW, folks, for Canonical's next trick... Kubuntu is late. Here's a pencil. Draw your own conclusions. cf.:...

11 hours ago by zdnetukuser on Linux Minterface
Moley

@kevinmchapman. The discussion here reflects the very significant number of users who really do like the traditional menu system and who wish to...

13 hours ago by Moley on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
kevinmchapman

Er, no... It is an efficient means of finding the application/file/setting you need in one place. The icons are a simply a fallback for when you...

15 hours ago by kevinmchapman on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
TerryRK

Isn't the provision of a text based search an admission by the developers that the mass of icons approach does not work? I don't need to use a...

16 hours ago by TerryRK on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
kevinmchapman

"Unity and GNOME 3 both abandon the old text-based cascading menus in favour of a graphical icon-driven system." Point truly missed. Both use a...

17 hours ago by kevinmchapman on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
TerryRK

whs001 - Thank you, I'm glad you liked the article. I absolutely agree with you on your first point. I should perhaps have made it clearer that...

17 hours ago by TerryRK on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Dennis Nilsson

If we allow corporate interest to dictate the way our government circumvents due process against foreign entities then we should accept the same...

18 hours ago by Dennis Nilsson via Facebook on ACTA stumbles in Germany
GHar123

I totally dislike pirating of works, I fear that artists will be deterred from creating works if they think that they are going to get ripped off....

20 hours ago by GHar123 on ACTA stumbles in Germany
JCB33

How dare film makers, artists or anybody that invests in creativity stop us pirating their works for free. I want to be able to walk into my local...

1 day ago by JCB33 on ACTA stumbles in Germany
Moley

@GrueMaster. I prefer horses for courses rather than one size fits all. I, and I suspect most other computer users, do not really wish to have...

1 day ago by Moley on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
greycynic

The product that scares me every time I have to use it is the Office 2007 version of Excel. The first bug that I found was applying the median...

1 day ago by greycynic on Ten flawed products that derail productivity
GrueMaster

Nice review and very informative. One thing I'd like to add (in reply to whs001's 1st question), the main reason to have the same interface from...

1 day ago by GrueMaster on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Frederick Wrigley

I'be been using Mint 12 since the RC came out, and I am far more happy with the Cinnamon, the Mate, and, yes (with extensions), theGnome 3...

1 day ago by Frederick Wrigley via Facebook on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
bdantas

Excellent article. One small correction, though--although a fresh installation of Linux Mint 12 will, indeed, provide the user with a version of...

1 day ago by bdantas on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Alan Ralph

In related news, the ISPs club together to get the members of the Home Affairs Select Committee (ya goofed on that part, ZDNet UK) copies of "The...

1 day ago by Alan Ralph via Facebook on MPs urge ISPs to take down terrorist material
Alan Ralph

In related news, the ISPs club together to get the members of the Home Affairs Select Committee (ya goofed on that part, ZDNet UK) copies of "The...

1 day ago by Alan Ralph via Facebook on MPs urge ISPs to take down terrorist material
Moley

For Gnome 2 die-hards, it is possible to add icons to the bottom panel (or top top panel, if you prefer) which provide the exact Gnome 2...

1 day ago by Moley on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint