Orange roaming rates claim another victim

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The extortionate cost of using mobile data services while abroad has caught out another Orange subscriber. This time, a solicitor in Manchester found herself faced with a £300 bill for checking out some movies while taking a break in France.

Joanne Lancaster has been an Orange customer since 1998 and at Christmas went on a snowboarding holiday in the French Alps. Finding her holiday fun cut short by a dose of the flu, Lancaster was soon bored and in need of entertainment.

She turned to her Orange mobile phone to amuse herself, but her problems started when she used the Orange World facility to check out some movies.

"All I did was spend a few minutes looking at film trailers," she told ZDNet UK, "and that cost me £303, I had no idea."

Lancaster has become the latest victim of the great roaming rip-off scandal, which was highlighted by the case of another Orange customer, Roger Steare, who found himself facing an unexpected bill for £769 when he returned from a European trip.

This is because the cost of using a mobile phone or a data card is massively more than using the same service on the same mobile in the UK, and because the mobile operators do not issue a warning or suspend the service when users rack up hefty charges.

Lancaster was charged £8 per megabyte, which is Orange's standard rate for using a mobile to download data while in another European country.

"I had expected it to be more expensive to use my mobile while I was in France, and it was, and that was fine," said Lancaster. "I didn't expect to get charged £300 just for checking out a few film clips." Her total bill was £473, of which the largest portion was the £303.55 for downloading 35.44MB of data. In the UK, accessing the same content would probably cost around £4.

Faced with the high cost of roaming with a mobile or data card, Ofcom's stance is to say that it does not want to interfere with an emerging market and that there are too few people using mobile data services in other countries for it to need to intervene.

"I have never used it before and I am never going to use it again," commented Lancaster on data roaming. She was also especially annoyed that she uses pre-pay for downloading and pre-pay for WAP services. "I had credit in both and they didn't use that. They just charged me the full amount."

Lancaster insists that she never had any warning on her phone that she was building up such a large bill, even though her monthly bill is more usually "between £50 and £70".

Lancaster says it was ironic that she had recently been contacted by Orange and had agreed to extend her contract by an extra six months. Now she has had to talk to them again. "I've asked if they will give me more time to pay the bill," she said, "and I am waiting to hear."

Orange had not responded to a request for comment at the time of writing.

Talkback

Joanne - you have my sympathy! Orange - do you have the courage to live your own business principles? If readers fancy some light entertainment, go to http://www.orange.com/english/responsibility/. Then judge for yourself whether Orange behaves with integrity or hypocrisy.

via Facebook 1 February, 2006 07:34
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I've been stung by Orange too. £11 for using about 1mb of data while on a trip to Australia. I phoned them and asked them to justify this tariff. Their entirely disingenuous answer was that this was the rate the overseas operator set. They refused to divulge the amount they charge their fellow operators when their customers use the Orange UK network. I find it astonishing that the watchdog will not get involved in what amounts to a price fixing cartel. The only way to make them pay is by swtiching operator, which is just what I will be doing when my contract ends next month. I urge everyone to do the same. Shame on you Orange.

via Facebook 1 February, 2006 10:26
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It's doubly ironic that as I read about the Orange discontent I'm faced with a flashing banner advertising Orange's 'mobile email solutions' and encouraging me to find out more about their business solutions.

If they're going to rip me off as soon as I step out of the UK I'm not going to bother!

The comment about price fixing is a valid one, as there is no way to justify their costs for data transfer, other than the standard approach of keeping it a secret and then cashing in on the profits they make as a result.

I'd be tempted to check their compliance with distance selling legislation, as if they're selling you a service online and they haven't disclosed the true cost is that not illegal?

via Facebook 1 February, 2006 13:50
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I got stung in the Dominican Republic & Turkey for £28 per MB.

It's appalling.

Paul

Manchester

via Facebook 1 February, 2006 19:34
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Wise up people. Once bitten twice shy. The way to go whenever abroad is to get a local PAYG gprs enabled sim. When I visit the UK I get a PAYG data bundle off Orange which costs £1 per mb. (roaming is £6 per mb for me) On my last visit in Nov 05, Orange even doubled the data bundle for free. If you visit my neck of the woods; S Africa; get a local sim from Vodacom with data costing only £0.20 per mb. (roaming is £25 per mb)
Chris Kingdom.

via Facebook 2 February, 2006 07:42
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Wise up people. Once bitten twice shy. The way to go whenever abroad is to get a local PAYG gprs enabled sim. When I visit the UK I get a PAYG data bundle off Orange which costs £1 per mb. (roaming is £6 per mb for me) On my last visit in Nov 05, Orange even doubled the data bundle for free. If you visit my neck of the woods; S Africa; get a local sim from Vodacom with data costing only £0.20 per mb. (roaming is £25 per mb)
Chris Kingdom.

via Facebook 2 February, 2006 07:47
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Ive had the same overcharging issue, but with O2/CPW. Whilst travelling for 2 weeks last year in Germany with my O2XDA I made the mistake of downloading email (headers only!) and using MSN Messenger. I came back to a SERIES of bills which grew over a period of 4 months as O2 steadily recieved the charges from the European networks involved. In total, the data costs were some £4,000 more than my typical usage!. Sure enough, challenging the bills got me absolutely nowhere. But I had a datamax unlimited useage package, so why the costs? Well, these packages apply to the UK only. If anyone can recommend a cheap roaming solution, there are a lot of interested punters here.....

via Facebook 4 February, 2006 20:16
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I got stung for a £530 Orange bill, whilst using my SmartPhone in Egypt last year

The Orange website on international roaming rates is very misleading

Had I known, I would have used an Internet Cafe for a fraction of the price

Orange were very helpful and
assisted me with a hefty refund, eventually

I have the Orange Pricing Manager's contact details if you care to Email me

via Facebook 7 February, 2006 16:51
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Had the same experience with O2 - bill for £305 for downloading personal mail (no attachments, 100K maximum) over a three day period in Ireland, seemingly adding up to 70mb over three days.. where does that go on an XDA IIS ? To add insult to injury, I was cut off by O2's Finance Department with no prior warning while abroad, because of 'excessive usage' and left adrift for three days. I find this absolutely outrageous - whatever the technical ins and outs, O2 are charging me £300-odd for what ? A handful of emails ? It's borderline criminal.
And another thing - is there any way of turning GPRS off and keeping GSM on on an XDA ? If not it's very hard to avoid data transfers..

via Facebook 14 February, 2006 10:50
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