AmEx joins Microsoft Passport rivals

Daily Newsletters

Sign up to ZDNet UK's daily newsletter.

NEWS
American Express joined the Liberty Alliance Project on Wednesday, boosting Sun Microsystems' effort to counterbalance Microsoft's Passport authentication system. American Express, which is already allied with Sun because its Blue credit card uses Java software, joined the Liberty project just one day after AOL Time Warner did the same. The finance giant believes that the alliance's technology will improve customer convenience by simplifying the sign-on process on Web sites while providing a way to protect customer information, according American Express spokesman Tony Mitchel. The Liberty Alliance hopes to create a standard way that computer users can establish their identities on the Internet, either through passwords or more sophisticated authentication technology. The alliance has yet to describe publicly how its technology will work, but the new support from American Express undermines Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer's earlier position that the alliance "has absolutely zero probability of mattering to the world." Sun, one of Microsoft's bitterest enemies, initiated the alliance in September, drawing support from major airlines, security software companies and financial services companies. The corporate maneuverings are an important part of rivals' attempts to secure their power by weaving their own authentication technologies into the fabric of the future Internet. Authentication is the gateway to the vaunted Web services universally proclaimed to be the future of the Internet. And ultimately, Microsoft hopes to charge for the services that people tap into via Passport. Earlier members of the Liberty Alliance include Fidelity Investments, Bank of America, Sony, eBay, Sprint, Nokia, Cingular Wireless, NTT DoCoMo, American Airlines, United Airlines, VeriSign and General Motors. But the absence of a credit card company such as Visa, MasterCard or American Express was conspicuous, given that the alliance is addressing a key concern of the credit card industry: assuring that people are who they claim to be. The alliance got a major boost Tuesday when AOL Time Warner joined. America Online has 32 million subscribers for its Internet service. Ballmer had pointed to AOL's earlier absence from the Liberty Alliance as evidence of its weakness. Ballmer blunder? Two weeks after the Liberty Alliance was first announced, Ballmer lambasted it at a Gartner conference: "I think the Sun thing has absolutely zero probability of mattering to the world... AOL and Sun have a huge joint venture, and they couldn't even get AOL to participate in this thing? What kind of craziness is that? It just shows you the weak foundation on which they build." Dwight Davis, a Summit Strategies analyst, said Microsoft was foolish to bad-mouth the Liberty Alliance, given its prestigious membership. "It's one thing saying that about direct competitors such as Sun and Real Networks. But when you've got an organization that includes a lot of big users, it's pretty foolish to cast aspersions at the group as a whole and alienate your customers," Davis said. It's possible that detente is at hand, though. For one thing, Microsoft is being more circumspect these days. Asked whether Microsoft is joining the alliance, a representative said only, "We don't have anything to say about that right now." Davis sees the situation changing. "I wouldn't be surprised if (Microsoft) joined Liberty and made amends with some of the members it may have alienated," Davis said. "I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft realizes it went a little bit far in the rhetoric." One tantalizing hint comes from Sun itself. Sun chief strategy officer Jonathan Schwartz said a "very large player in the Windows software space" is expected to join soon. AOL, though, is the "coup de grace," Schwartz said. "AOL is the only desktop Internet company that has momentum in terms of deploying a subscription-based identity service." AOL has its own identity authentication system, code-named "Magic Carpet," but Schwartz said he believes AOL will use Liberty standards. And in the credit card arena, there is still a bigger fish to catch -- Visa. Visa, which is a strong backer of the use of Java in chip-enabled "smart cards," began on Monday a program called Verified by Visa that would dovetail neatly with Liberty. The programme lets credit card users assign a password to their credit cards in an effort to make it harder for others to use them. "Visa is working to define security and authentication in the payments space," the company said in a statement. "We are evaluating how we can and will play with the Liberty Alliance, Passport and AOL Magic Carpet in a cooperative fashion in the future." Microsoft's head start The alliance has more work ahead of it. It hasn't released its specification yet, much less demonstrated software that shows Liberty in use or built the technology into anybody's Internet services. Schwartz said the alliance plans to detail its plans in two or three weeks. The technology also could get a boost Thursday when Sun chief executive Scott McNealy gives a keynote address at Oracle Openworld in San Francisco, where he is expected to demonstrate the use of a smart card. By contrast, Microsoft has a major head start. Passport is running, has numerous business partners and 200 million users. The magnitude of that membership is tempered by the fact that most are just people who signed up for free Hotmail e-mail accounts. Only "a tiny percentage of those, about 1 percent, have gone beyond the basic profile of username and password to filling out a more detailed profile with credit card information" that can be used in Microsoft's electronic wallet service, Davis said. American Express did go out of its way to avoid disparaging Passport. "Our decision to join the alliance wasn't at all a reaction to or step against Microsoft or Passport," Mitchell said. However, others have complained about the privacy and security implications of Passport -- complaints Microsoft says have no basis. American Express' motives for picking Liberty are twofold, Mitchell said. "We agree with Sun and the other members that there is a lot of potential benefit to consumers in being able to have secure access across multiple Web sites through single sign-on," he said. "And we're very strongly motivated by the fact that... consumer privacy and security and ultimately control over data is at the forefront of that initiative." American Express had four million Blue card users at the end of 2000, Mitchell said, with many more joining this year. Among the advantages of the card is a password-protected system that approves Web-based purchases without transmitting the actual credit card over the Internet or allowing it to be stored in potentially insecure merchant databases. For everything Internet-related, from the latest legal and policy-related news, to domain name updates, see ZDNet UK's Internet News Section. Have your say instantly, and see what others have said. Click on the TalkBack button and go to the Telecoms forum. Let the editors know what you think in the Mailroom. And read other letters.

Post your comment

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

You can also log in with Facebook. Log in or create your ZDNet UK account below

  • Login

Will not be displayed with your comment

By signing up for this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understood our Privacy Policy. Questions about membership? Find the answers in the Community FAQ

Get ZDNet UK's daily newsletter

Enter your email address to sign up

ZDNet UK Live

JCB33

How dare film makers, artists or anybody that invests in creativity stop us pirating their works for free. I want to be able to walk into my local...

50 minutes ago by JCB33 on ACTA stumbles in Germany
Moley

@GrueMaster. I prefer horses for courses rather than one size fits all. I, and I suspect most other computer users, do not really wish to have...

3 hours ago by Moley on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
greycynic

The product that scares me every time I have to use it is the Office 2007 version of Excel. The first bug that I found was applying the median...

3 hours ago by greycynic on Ten flawed products that derail productivity
GrueMaster

Nice review and very informative. One thing I'd like to add (in reply to whs001's 1st question), the main reason to have the same interface from...

4 hours ago by GrueMaster on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Frederick Wrigley

I'be been using Mint 12 since the RC came out, and I am far more happy with the Cinnamon, the Mate, and, yes (with extensions), theGnome 3...

5 hours ago by Frederick Wrigley via Facebook on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
bdantas

Excellent article. One small correction, though--although a fresh installation of Linux Mint 12 will, indeed, provide the user with a version of...

6 hours ago by bdantas on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Alan Ralph

In related news, the ISPs club together to get the members of the Home Affairs Select Committee (ya goofed on that part, ZDNet UK) copies of "The...

6 hours ago by Alan Ralph via Facebook on MPs urge ISPs to take down terrorist material
Alan Ralph

In related news, the ISPs club together to get the members of the Home Affairs Select Committee (ya goofed on that part, ZDNet UK) copies of "The...

7 hours ago by Alan Ralph via Facebook on MPs urge ISPs to take down terrorist material
Moley

For Gnome 2 die-hards, it is possible to add icons to the bottom panel (or top top panel, if you prefer) which provide the exact Gnome 2...

7 hours ago by Moley on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
ramwellian

Your comments would seem pretty naive and immature. Your 'solution' appears to be, "gee, let's all just give in to the hackers and give them...

7 hours ago by ramwellian on Cloud computing security: no more oxymoron?
BugStalker

"Interesting thought ... If you installed Win7 as a dual boot on a machine that previously only had Linux, and it wrecked your Linux installation,...

8 hours ago by BugStalker on Windows 7 Declares War on GRUB
whs001

This is an excellent summary of Ubuntu and Mint and the interface differences between them. Most such articles take a very partisan position for...

8 hours ago by whs001 on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Moley

@ewallace. Not so clear. Anyone can obtain the text, for example from here http://www.ustr.gov/webfm_send/2379. I support ACTA so long as it and...

8 hours ago by Moley on ACTA: Facts, misconceptions and questions
45283

I think WinRT is fantastic. I just wish it was an option for people that didn't want to go through Microsoft's App Store with its attendant...

11 hours ago by 45283 on Why Windows 8 needs architectural hygiene for WOA
Burn-IT

Nine people? £30m? Who's back pocket is that lot going in? And IF they say it is for new buildings, what about all the ones the government has...

12 hours ago by Burn-IT on Police set to launch three £30m e-crime hubs
ewallace

Just to be clear, nobody knows what is in the text of ACTA, here is a photograph of the text of ACTA http://twitpic.com/8h9iju as submitted to the...

12 hours ago by ewallace on ACTA: Facts, misconceptions and questions
fgvrg56

Unfortunately main issue is that ASUS is refusing to accept that they make some mistake on this version of asus Transformer prime. 1 - GPS sensor...

14 hours ago by fgvrg56 on Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime Wi-Fi & GPS problems?
Ben Woods

@Marcus A fair question. Just talked with Archos which said it was working on an announcement for next week....

15 hours ago by Ben Woods on Archos confirms G9 Ice Cream Sandwich update schedule
Marcus Karlsson

Any update on this, considering the claimed "first week of February"?

16 hours ago by Marcus Karlsson via Facebook on Archos confirms G9 Ice Cream Sandwich update schedule
apexwm

Bill Goodrich : Just as al_langevin pointed out, with Windows Server 2008 there is no Services for Macintosh anymore. It's gone, not available....

1 day ago by apexwm on Windows Server 2008 drops the ball for Mac compatibility