A senior PlusNet executive has hit out at those in the broadband industry who advertise free or unlimited connectivity, including partner Tiscali.
Marketing director Marco Potesta told ZDNet UK on Thursday that the industry was "mis-selling on free" and wrong to advertise services as "unlimited".
"There's no such thing as free and no such thing as unlimited," Potesta told ZDNet UK on Thursday. "By definition, network is finite, the resources in the network that can be applied to customers is finite. We came clean real quick on that one, but I don't see Tiscali coming clean on that, I don't see other people coming clean."
Potesta also confirmed that several senior PlusNet staff have recently left the company.
A spokeswoman for Tiscali insisted on Thursday that it was not misrepresenting its products. Like many ISPs, it advertises certain of its services as "unlimited" despite the inclusion of a "fair usage" clause that is designed to ease congestion at peak traffic times but effectively serves as a cap.
"We trialled some capped products about a year ago and we found customers really didn't understand what a cap meant," she told ZDNet UK. "We sell, within the ASA's guidelines, an unlimited product — that means we don't put a limit or a cap on our consumer products, but we do operate a fair usage policy".
PlusNet is a wholesale customer of Tiscali's in local loop unbundling (LLU), the process by which Internet service providers (ISPs) can install their own equipment in BT exchanges without themselves being wholesale customers of BT.
However, two weeks ago PlusNet announced it was pausing the migration of its customers onto Tiscali Wholesale's LLU platform so that it could "take stock of the situation". A number of PlusNet's customers had reported problems in the migration, and the company refunded those who had experienced more than seven days of downtime. It has yet to resume the process.
"The LLU implementation had its issues and, had we behaved as we used to behave as an organisation and had the customer at the centre of everything we did, then we firmly believe that these things wouldn't have happened," Potesta suggested.
"Culturally, transparency is a very difficult thing for businesses to get a hold of," he added.
As well as its renewed drive for transparency....
Talkback
Just to note that I think there needs to be clarification here: "A number of PlusNet's customers had reported problems in the migration, and the company refunded those who had experienced more than seven days of downtime."
While I can't say that what I have experienced applies to other customers, I lost my broadband service when migrated to the Tiscali LLU over a month ago, and have been told that I will not receive any refund until the fault is fixed, and if I leave I will receive no refund at all. They have also refused to migrate me back from LLU. They are still taking my money and have also said they will still hold me to their notice period - ie will only schedule a cancellation if I pay a further month's fee in advance, despite not having a working service.
PlusNet were a fantastic company when I joined two years ago. I was a modest user so unlimited/fair usage was not an issue. However many problems occured, most did not bother me. However I left, not to a cheaper/free ISP, but paying 20%/month more. I now have a reliable connection & good customer service ISP. Speeds vary but that is a function of BT. Prior to PlusNet I was with Tiscali, seemingly part of PlusNet's problem. I think that the up to 8Mb connection is a farce and is causing most ISPs problems. Roll on SKY, for me always dpendent, still 12 months away though.
Whilst not experiencing any major outages, since PlusNet converted me to LLU and (supposedly) increased my speed to 8Mb I've had no end of problems. Ther service is now so inconsistent and I experience regular daily drop-outs of connection. Like the other commenter they have not indicated any possibility of transferring me back off LLU despite this obviously being the problem, and you only need to check their support/incident feed to see that they are experiencing major difficulties of late.
No wonder they had to restructure their customer support!
The best company i ever used was Central Point, 1 MB uncapped, unrestricted, they connected you and provided you did not break the law and paid your bill they did not care.
The perfect company. the sold to Fast 24 and after their sockingly poor and ignorant cusomter service i got it sorted and all things seem fine now!
Move to Talk 101 they seem to be doing one hell of an amazing job!
I have been using Free-online (plus*net) for 6 years and their ADSL service since they launched it. I have recommended their service in terms of price and quality to many friends for years, who have been equally been impressed UNTIL about 9 months ago. Now the quality of the product has gone into free fall (only today I had no service from midnight until 2:00 pm today) and as for the customer service - what a joke. In May it took 4 weeks to get a relatives ADSL restored due to an issue with the service! The last problem ticket I raised was closed automatically after 2 weeks because it had not been update (BY PLUS*NET!!!!). They ignore the tickets and then close them due to inactivity when I am waiting on them for a response. At the same time they sent me an email stating they had improved customer service and had only 100 (ish) tickets to answer...yeah right.
So, “one thing that these guys”- competitors such as BSkyB (!)- “all have in common is their complete inability in being able to manage a network”?
I understand that it's the job of a Marketing Director to put his own company in a positive light, but condemning competitors in that manner, is not something that I find
appealing.
I fear, also, that Mr Postesta may be underestimating the ability of some of Plusnet’s competitors to manage a network.
I think that many Plusnet customers may also take issue with his claim that Plusnet’s network is managed “totally effectively”. Plusnet have had many reliability issues of late, aside from poor customer support.
Attack is obviously the only defence left to PlusNet. And it clearly matters little to Marco Potesta that thousands of his customers know that his claims of honesty, integrity and customer care are pure fiction.
The PlusNet forums (PUG Usergroup forum, ADSL Guide PlusNet forum and their own portal forum) are literally awash with customer complaints. At a rough guess, half of them are complaining that it has for weeks been impossible to contact a PlusNet support agent either by phone or via their ticket system; a quarter are complaining about unusable connections (mostly LLU but also IPStream) - some of them having been without connectivty for 7 weeks; and the remainder are complaining that PlusNet are obstructing them from leaving and/or profiteering from their departure.
And by the way, PlusNet have also misdescribed their products for years - and continue to do so - so that customers only discover the awful truth once they are under contract.
A number of PlusNet customers have only got satisfaction by threatening court action and at least one court judgment against PlusNet is currently being appealed by the company. Ofcom has a huge file of complaints from PlusNet customers, as do Sheffield Trading Standards.
When PlusNet eventually do the right thing with their marketing director, I assume that no other ISP would be daft enough to take him on. His comments in this article have achieved the near impossible -- making PlusNet's already dire situation an order of magnitude worse.
I was a Plusnet customer who migrated to them inthe days when he then new, migrations cost over £40. Which thankfully enabled me to migrate ot of Plusnet without incurring any of their 'penalty' charges & 5 year 'lock ins' that those that fell for the 'free migration' scam. Only now are some users finding out just how hard it is to escape Plusnets clutches, especially so if they have been tranferred to a Tiscali 'Wholesale' LLU non-connection. Experienced users warned of the possible consequences of using Tiscali whose general reputation does not seem to be at all good or reliable, much the same as Tiscali the ISP. Sadly our prophecies are redeemed. At the mention of Tiscali, I asked for my Migration Code & migrated as quickly as I could to an ISP who still believes in providing good customer service.
Plusnet USED to be good, ie the first ISP to release [a business] 2meg before anyone else.
The 'Fair Use Policy' now is just a joke, Bulldog beat the others hands down - it's a pity that they may sell their customer base.
Plusnet are NOT the ISP that they once were, I'm glad to go and I'm seriously going elsewhere - probably Bulldog.
This is a definite case of the pot calling the kettle black. What utter hypocrisy! I migrated from PlusNet as they were responsible for exactly the kind of unscrupulous misselling and business practises of which they are accusing others.
It appears that ISPs are taking advantage of customers lack of knowledge around their rights (ignorance of law). If you sign a contract and the ISP fails to connect you within a reasonable length of time (around 5 to 7 days), you have the right to annul the contract and have all your money returned. If you wish to migrate to another ISP rather than wait months, at your cost, simply quote the "Sale of Goods and Services Acts". This usually gets them to connect you quickly or allow you to go elsewhere and give you a refund. You can also threaten to sue them in the County Courts for "Breach of Contract as well as a breach of the "Sale of Goods and Services Acts. In the courts, you will be able to make a claim for compensation for the loss of the expected service, the inconvenience and any distress caused, as well as your legal costs. Mention this to the Customer Services Manager and you will see prompt action. It's also worth logging a complaint with OfCom as they collect data on all ISPs and any getting too many complaints will be acted upon.
TISCALI THROTTLE One of the worst Decicions I have EVER made was to sign up for TISCALI THROTTLE THROTTLE THROTTLE
FAIR USAGE CLAIMED TIME 6PM-11PM
ACTUAL "THROTTLING TIME" 9AM-2AM FOLLOWING DAY 17 HOURS NON SERVICE
6 Months of Excuses for Downtimes and Reconecting Mysteriusly ONLY After I complain.
Advice Don't Trust them with the Following
1. Your Bank Details MONITOR EVEN AFTER CANCELING
Reason They will Try to withdraw cash Even if They Havent Provided Service.
By Service I mean 24 hr Connection and the Ability to
login download Etc Without Cut off.
2.Take note of Excuses for Crap Service Note all cutoff Error Numbers at the time dont accept repeated Excuses after doing their fix once.
3. Tell them you will charge them for downtime we
recomend estimate of £50 uk money for first hour then £10 per minute there after ..keep note of all Downtimes.
4.1MB Download speeds my furry swingers !.
5. 50:1 RATIO MEANS Your line Getting squeezed
and slow downs.
When Canceling Your Service Pay Nothing for the Month in Which they messed with you service.
pay only for whole 24/7 montsh service or nothing
unlimited downloads means being allways on if you are not pay them nothing mention trade descriptions act and legal action .. check youre credit rating after refusing to pay them if its affected .. take legal action against them ..Good Luck
note these..
their shareholders might want to know about your treatment
go here
http://investors.tiscali.com/tiscali/TheCompany/articles.jsp?cat=2&sub=8&lang=
contact
board of directors
http://investors.tiscali.com/tiscali/TheCompany/board.jsp?cat=2&sub=68&lang=
dont waste time with callcentres people
with lists of preset answers..
find them here
http://www.tiscali.com/about/where/uk/
P: +44 (0) 20 7087 2000