Future fibre networks to exceed light speed?

Daily Newsletters

Sign up to ZDNet UK's daily newsletter.

Topics

Einstein

NEWS

German scientists claim to have broken the light-speed barrier, which could blow away the known limitations of modern networking, but the technology is unlikely to make it into a product — if at all — until most administrators working today have retired.

Exceeding the speed of light, approximately 300,000km per second, is supposed to be completely impossible. According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate an object through the light barrier.

But two German physicists claim to have forced light to overcome its own speed limit using the strange phenomenon known as "quantum tunnelling".

Gunter Nimtz, one of the physicists from the University of Koblenz, told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."

However, the scientists' claims should be treated with some scepticism until they have been investigated by the wider scientific community, according to Dr Kevin McIsaac, an analyst at Sydney-based firm IBRS, who holds a PhD in theoretical atomic physics.

"From time to time we do hear about these interesting experiments, often by well-meaning scientists. But, until this has been validated by the scientific community, you want to treat it with some scepticism," said McIsaac.

Read this

100Gbps Ethernet is coming

Telecoms industry is pushing for a tenfold increase in performance by the end of the decade...

Read more +

"To date, all indications are that no information can travel faster than the speed of light. There are some experiments that indicate you can have interactions that appear to be faster than the speed of light but you still can't transmit information faster than the speed of light," said McIsaac.

The scientists set up an experiment in which microwave photons — energetic packets of light — appeared to travel "instantaneously" between two prisms forming the halves of a cube placed a metre apart.

When the prisms were placed together, photons fired at one edge passed straight through them, as expected. After they were moved apart, most of the photons reflected off the first prism they encountered and were picked up by a detector. But a few photons appeared to "tunnel" through the gap separating them as if the prisms were still held together.

Although these photons had travelled a longer distance, they arrived at their detector at exactly the same time as the reflected photons. In effect, they seemed to have travelled faster than light.

Quantum tunnelling is a well known phenomenon that occurs as a direct result of the strange uncertainty which pervades nature at very small scales. It allows subatomic particles to break apparently unbreakable barriers.

Even if the discovery turns out to be real, IBRS's McIsaac isn't convinced that it could be turned into a useful product: "About 15 or 20 years ago a scientist claimed to have discovered cold fusion... but still nothing has happened. One of the big promises has been quantum computing and we still don't have it. Also, photonic computing — we still don't have that either."

"So, frankly, I would suggest that anybody who is an administrator today probably won't see this till they have retired," McIsaac said.

Quantum tunnelling
To understand the principle of quantum tunnelling, consider a ball being bowled up a hill. If the ball has insufficient velocity, it will not roll over the top of the hill and appear on the other side. But, if the ball was a subatomic particle, subject to quantum laws, it would also behave like a wave.

The "wave function" describing the particle would represent the probability of finding it at a certain location. This wave could extend to the other side of the hill, meaning there will always be a small possibility of the particle being detected there unexpectedly.

Read this

Researchers claim stealth encryption breakthrough

Annual showcase for US optical society explains how noise can be used to successfully transport encrypted messages...

Read more +

When this happens it is as if the particle has "tunnelled" through the hill.

The effect is already used in a practical way in the scanning tunnelling microscope, which can image surface features at an atomic scale and relies on the "tunnelling" of electrons.

Tunnelling is also involved in radioactivity and nuclear fusion. Without it, the sun could not shine, and some scientists believe the universe itself only came into existence because of tunnelling.

Talkback

It doesn't surprise me that the speed of light can be manipulated and boosted since speed tests over the last 200 years have shown that the speed of light has been natuarally slowing down.

Although the difference has been only a few hundred miles per hour of the approximately 300,000km per hour it now travels, this is something to ponder.

mgwicks 17 August, 2007 14:47
Reply

The following quote appears in the article:

"For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."

Interresting. I am aware of several FTL violations in the last 5 or so years - including *information* being sent FTL. I'll presume this scientist is burried in work and is simply not aware.

To my understanding: I point out that Einstein indicated that INFORMATION could not go FTL - everything else could. Obviously, he was not completely correct, regardless.

FYI: Light has been slowed to a literal crawl and even "frozen" - search terms would include "liquid light" and "cesium gas".

KiJa 17 August, 2007 19:02
Reply

By the way, How about Interstellar Travel ?

Dr. Steve Schaefer, Ph.D. Princeton University (Physics), "Calculates if X = 4.3 light-years, then T = 3.6 years. Dozens of stars could be reached in five to six years. In fact, a traveler could even go the Andromeda galaxy (2,000,000 light years) in under 29 years (Ship Time in Years) if a constant acceleration could be maintained." Also see Dr. Carlos I. Calle, PhD, NASA senior research scientist, below on page.

http://nlspropulsion.net/default.aspx

mthomas 19 August, 2007 16:42
Reply

I'm not sure where you get that information from, as it appears that you are breaking Einstein's SR too! It is constant (apparently), but maybe you are referring to the accuracy in the measurement of it that has changed, not the actual light itself? Otherwise it would eventually grind to a halt!

Regardless, assuming it should be constant in this experiment, then, yes, they are violating SR. However, SR doesn't take into account Quantum mechanics as it assumes light is a particle, and thus ignores Heisenburgs uncertainty & also quantum tunelling, and thus maybe he does need to rewrite the SR theory to take into account uncertainty. Who knows...after all, we thought Newton had sown up the laws of mechanics until Einstein came along...

samtheman1k 20 August, 2007 11:19
Reply

Surely if 'something' travels faster than light, even if it is just one single photon, then that can be used for information?

samtheman1k 20 August, 2007 11:22
Reply

EM Tunneling through a solid block of lead:

When this experiment was first shown to the scientific community by it's creator, the response from a "rival" scientist was, I paraphrase:

"Yes, you have sent energy faster than light. But Einstein only said information can't go faster than light."

The reply to this constructive criticism was the transmission of classical music at FTL.

This is what I can tell you about this experiment.

Now, you are correct that a single photon can contain 'information', however, we are not too good (yet) at modulating and demodulating quanta.

KiJa 20 August, 2007 19:51
Reply

"The reply to this constructive criticism was the transmission of classical music at FTL."

If you're referring to the experiments Professor Nimtz did at the U of Cologne, sending Mozart via microwave tunnelling, then they in no way contract special relativity (and I don't believe Prof Nimtz claims that they do). As far as I'm aware, no tunnelling experiment has shown >c, nor would it be expectd to, for information or energy. Group and phase velocity _can_ be >c, as SR allows, but can't be used to transfer anything useful.

The speed of light isn't an arbitrary, mysterious limitation. It's part of the geometry of space and time. You can no more go >c than you can go from London to Edinburgh in 40 miles rather than 400 (unless you fold the British Isles with the crease somewhere near Manchester - the analogy in physics is then the wormhole theory, which doesn't break c but does bypass it).

The thing that matters for tunnelling experiment velocity measurement - which is by no means an obvious thing - is the wavefront, the first hint that something's coming. In every experiment i know of, wavefront velocity does not contradict SR - but if you have specifics, I'd love to see them.

We're actually very good at modulating quanta! I suggest you look up what's been happening with quantum key distribution and entangled photon pairs, where we use polarisation as our medium. A further exercise to the reader: with quantum key distribution, how do you build a repeater? Could you use tunnelling?

Rupert Goodwins 21 August, 2007 11:39
Reply

Post your comment

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

You can also log in with Facebook. Log in or create your ZDNet UK account below

  • Login

Will not be displayed with your comment

By signing up for this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understood our Privacy Policy. Questions about membership? Find the answers in the Community FAQ

Get ZDNet UK's daily newsletter

Enter your email address to sign up

ZDNet UK Live

subhorup

It simultaneously worries me and uplifts me that a self-proclaimed group of internet activists name themselves after Indian mythical figures....

3 hours ago by subhorup on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
naviathan

It's actually far easier to work anonymously on the internet than you think. With tools like Tor bouncing your traffic around the world before...

6 hours ago by naviathan on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
Agnostic_OS

1000272134 and bluedalmatian with you both there but then I'm still in 10.04 land (and happy with it)

6 hours ago by Agnostic_OS on Ten factors that make Ubuntu 11.10 a hit
apexwm

Interesting article and definitely see your points on the products mentioned. One of the top products for our Help Desk (approximately 20% of all...

14 hours ago by apexwm on Ten flawed products that derail productivity
Paul Hutchinson

Absolutely - this should obviously not be handled my isp - but handled by their hosting operator. What's been suggested here is that my isp police...

14 hours ago by Paul Hutchinson via Facebook on MPs urge ISPs to take down terrorist material
Techs UK

Looks like a great phone. I don't notice any deficiencies in WP7. used IOS before, that's pretty good. I don't spend much time in Apps, all i need...

17 hours ago by Techs UK on Nokia pins US 're-entry' hopes on Lumia 900
Larry Bloggy

Now with the help of these apps you are always synced with MS outlook while on the move. Just download apps like xobni or outlookreflex and get...

18 hours ago by Larry Bloggy via Facebook on Outlook Social Connector beta 2 and the LinkedIn connector
mike40g123

Your details are wrong. The version currently being made is the one with 2 USB ports, 256MB RAM and a network port. This is the Model B. The...

19 hours ago by mike40g123 on Raspberry Pi boards set to go on sale
Moley

The thing that has been puzzling me for quite a while is how Anonymous can remain anonymous whilst not only being active on the Internet but also...

1 day ago by Moley on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
Don Dilly

If what Semantec is saying is rue, that is even worse and shows a complete disregard for thier users. If what Anonymous claims is true and the...

2 days ago by Don Dilly via Facebook on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
MattChurchy

Didn't seem particularly biased to me either. Oh though you might have mentioned some other competitors with free search and email services...

2 days ago by MattChurchy on Time for an evil umpire: Google, Microsoft & privacy
Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe

James - exactly as much as anyone paid you for your comment; I don't feel that I need to say that I'm independant and unbiased, but just for you...

2 days ago by Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe on Time for an evil umpire: Google, Microsoft & privacy
Carl White

Once they realise symantec are willing to pay real money, they will simply keep extorting, unless of course symantec/authorities can use the...

2 days ago by Carl White via Facebook on Symantec offered hackers $50k in source code sting
Jonathan Hassell

You can find more information on BS 8878 by Jonathan Hassell its lead-author at http://www.hassellinclusion.com/bs8878/ The page includes a...

2 days ago by Jonathan Hassell on BSI publishes first British web accessibility standard
servermanagement

Thanks for this list. Now I know, what to include on my system to make it more functional.

2 days ago by servermanagement on Ten flawed products that derail productivity
1000092626

What if it's a 4 car household? The point is, more bandwidth = more things you can do simultaneously, like streaming HD video in one room of the...

2 days ago by 1000092626 on Virgin Media beats 100Mbps schedule, hikes prices
Gary Burton

No point whatsoever increasing broadband download speed. unless ever server on the net has access to massively up rated throughput. The worlds...

2 days ago by Gary Burton via Facebook on Virgin Media beats 100Mbps schedule, hikes prices
Random_Error

They're also increasing their TV package prices, whether to help fund this or not.

2 days ago by Random_Error on Virgin Media beats 100Mbps schedule, hikes prices
Techs UK

How can you set it up wrong to intermittently connect? Should I be asking for more pay? Outlook/Exchange is a breeze.

3 days ago by Techs UK on Ten flawed products that derail productivity
JamesCheese

And how much did Microsoft pay you for that article?

3 days ago by JamesCheese on Time for an evil umpire: Google, Microsoft & privacy