Patent directive slammed at UKPO workshop

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A group of software developers and patent lawyers agreed on Thursday at a UK Patent Office (UKPO) workshop that the definition of technical contribution in the proposed European software patent directive is wrong.

Lord Sainsbury, the minister for science and innovation, and the UK Patent Office agreed to hold the workshops after a public meeting at the end of last year, where software companies and developers expressed their concern about the directive, officially known as the directive on the patentability of computer-implemented inventions.

Although the results from the 13 workshops held across the UK have yet to be collated, the conclusion from one of the six workshops held in London was clear — the current criteria for deciding whether a patent should be granted is so vague that almost all software patents are likely to be granted. The UKPO has repeatedly denied that the directive will allow the widespread patenting of software, for example in a report published last year it claimed that the directive is "not about making all software patentable" and "excludes inventions directed at solving a business problem".

The directive, which is due to pass to the European Parliament for a second reading this month, will allow patents for software that can demonstrate a 'technical contribution' and which satisfy the tests of obviousness that other patent applications have to pass. Software that does not demonstrate a technical contribution will not be patentable, say the backers of the directive, which includes the UKPO, who have helped steer the legislation through.

The attendees of the workshop discussed in groups a number of fictional patent claims and whether various definitions of technical contribution would allow these patents to be passed. The vast majority of attendees agreed that the directive's definition of technical contribution allowed all the claims to be patented, while an alternative definition proposed by the UK branch of campaign group the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure (FFII) prevented all claims from being patented.

Click here to see both definitions.

After the discussion the attendees were asked which of the patent claims they believe should have been passed. The majority agreed three of the five patents should not have been passed, with the attendees split on whether one of the other patents should be passed or not. Only one patent claim received the support of the majority.

All groups of attendees agreed that the directive definition was ineffective.

"[The directive definition] seemed to make anything patentable," said one attendee. "Case study 10 [an operating system application protocol interface] shouldn't be patentable, but was only patentable under A [the directive definition]."

"Virtually anything is patentable. It confuses technical contribution with what's new — anything new automatically becomes a technical contribution," said another attendee.

The FFII UK definition was praised as the best of the four definitions, although a few potential problems were pointed out.

"We found [the FFII definition] was the only definition which was any good," said one group spokesperson.

But one attendee said that the second paragraph of the FFII definition was confusing as the first and second sentences appeared to contradict each other, in their view. Jeremy Philpott, a marketing executive from the UKPO, said that four of the other workshops in London had also come to this conclusion.

"The second clause of [the FFII definition] is negative — it says what's excluded, while the first clause is positive. This doesn't make for good definition," said Philpott.

Philpott did not comment on the universal criticism of the directive's definition of technical contribution.

Another UKPO spokesman conceded though that the FFII definition was generally well respected. "Quite a lot of people like [the FFII definition] — it seems to be easier to apply," said the spokesman.

Other attendees disagreed that the FFII definition was confusing. "I appreciate there's an issue with having a positive and negative, but a negative is clearly more specific than the positive — it says it doesn't include the processing, handling, representation and presentation of data. The way that it goes into more detail is its strength, I think" said one attendee.

Another said that some work needs to be done on this part of the definition. "It's extremely powerful because of the exclusions, but apparently rules out anything that operates automatically, which seems to be a fault of it."

At the end of the workgroup the UKPO conducted a straw poll of whether the attendees felt that software should be patentable and whether they were "lawyers, techies or both techies and lawyers". Only 7 of the 26 attendees said that it should be patentable, of which the majority classed themselves as "techies and lawyers".

The full results from all 13 workshops will be passed on to Lord Sainsbury and will be published on the UKPO Web site "soon", according to a UKPO spokesman.

Software patent directive definition of technical contribution

FFII definition of technical contribution

A technical contribution means a contribution to the state of the art in a field of technology which is new and not obvious to a person skilled in the art. The technical contribution shall be assessed by consideration of the difference between the state of the art and the scope of the patent claim considered as a whole, which must comprise technical features, irrespective of whether these are accompanied by non-technical features.

"Technical contribution" means a contribution made by a claimed invention, considered as a whole, to the state of the art in a field of technology. "Technical" means belonging to a field of technology.

New teaching about the use of controllable forces of nature under the control of a computer program, beyond the implementation of the data processing procedure itself, is technical. The processing, handling, and presentation of information by a computer program is not technical, even where technical devices are employed for such purposes.

Talkback

The best thing to do would be to drop software patents all together since there are too many self interested parties involved now to risk allowing such parties any possibility to exploit holes or abuse the court systems by means of test trials.

via Facebook 9 April, 2005 01:17
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I am concerned that any software patents will be a vehicle for greed and self interest regardless of definition, and will be wide open to abuse by those with deep pockets and/or no actual input into the development of the software. This is already beginning to happen in USA.

It is already clear that there is a rush to patent simple and obvious procedures/processes and/or procedures/processes which should be open standards to enable interoperability and the function of the Internet.

However plagerism, theft in effect, is not to be condoned but surely is, or could be, adequately covered by copyright and trademark protection.

Software patents will, ultimately, lead to a total lack of consumer choice, a scenario which is already raising it's head, and most of the benifits in this scenario will also accrue to USA. We will be beholden.

(I use consumer in the broadest of senses.)

I believe the opponents to this European legislation are being led into error by tinkering with the definition, leading to a flawed compromise, rather than addressing the bigger issue. The legislation is just plain wrong and will 'protect' the very few - not you and not me.

via Facebook 11 April, 2005 14:43
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Jules, you say
>I believe the opponents to this European legislation are being led into error by tinkering with the definition, leading to a flawed compromise, rather than addressing the bigger issue.<

Without "tinkering" with the definition, the proposed UKPO/EC directive definition will stand. The one that lets just about anything showing (an undefined) technical effect be patented. Is that what you want?
This isn't a case of saying that nothing that uses software is patentable; it is saying that, if the claimed patentable process uses software in some way, the software element is not patentable. If the claimed patentable process is a purely software application or business method it is not patentable (the original intent of the patent laws).
Surely this "tinkering" is closer to what you want, unless you wish for not patents on anything?

via Facebook 12 April, 2005 13:47
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The patents directive will not have the benefitial effects that the Patent Office and the EU Commission think it will have. Only large companies can afford to play the patent game. The characteristics of an industrial product or process are quite different from those of software. Consequently the justification for restricting the application of ideas in other fields does not exist.

Many small companies could be put out of business if this directive goes ahead. It is absurd to be promoting this restrictive trade practice on the ground of competition.

The supposed attempt to define "technical comtribution" is a diversion. Unless the law can be stated in precise and unambiguous terms it becomes a lottery. Whatever the outcome of a case the only winners will be the lawyers and the Patent Office parasites

There really is no need to give yet more power to Microsoft to reinforce its monopoly position.

via Facebook 18 April, 2005 22:22
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This article misrepresents the discussion at the London workshop I attended. There was no agreement that the definition in the proposed Directive is wrong.

As for the definition permitting most software to be patented, since the definitions were being tested against example "inventions" it is more a question of whether or not the examples represented "most" software, rather than the definition encompassing most software.

The definition requires there to be a technical contribution, and whilst this may not be as clear as one would like, there is guidance from the case law of the EPO how this test should be applied, and pure software fails the test.

One did come out of the workshop was that the more verbiage in a definition, the less clear it was, even to the extent of one definition (I believe based on a submission from FFII) being capable of an interpretation which covered a technical textbook!

The current proposals from the European Parliament do little to aid clarity.

via Facebook 18 May, 2005 16:04
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I disagree. I was at the workshop and almost everyone agreed that the definition in the proposed directive let every patent through, while the majority agreed that some patents definitely SHOULDN'T have been let through.

In a discussion at the end, no-one stuck up for the software patent directive definition, including none of the patent attorneys. In fact, the only definition that anyone had anything good to say about, was the FFII definition....

Its a shame that the FFII hasn't been invited by the European Parliament to propose an amendment to the directive.

via Facebook 19 May, 2005 17:05
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But do you see what is meant by the FFII definition covering a technical textbook? It refers to a teaching about physical processes, and is very broad.

And that the results were determined by the nature of examples chosen.

The workshop could not be conclusive.

via Facebook 20 May, 2005 16:01
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