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Symantec has filed a lawsuit against a New York Internet company for the right to detect its toolbars as adware.

The suit, which does not seek any monetary damages, was filed against Hotbar.com late on Tuesday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, San Jose Division, said Cris Paden, a Symantec spokesman.

The move is a preemptive strike. Last October, Hotbar contacted Symantec to complain about its enterprise antivirus products, which flag the Hotbar programs as adware, Paden said.

Hotbar did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Debate has gone on for years over adware and spyware, with manufacturers of the applications defending them as legitimate marketing tools. The terms are slippery, frequently used to apply both to information-thieving software and the advertising tools bundled with free software programs.

Makers of software judged to be adware or spyware often protest the labeling of their products as such by security software makers, to the point of threatening lawsuits. Microsoft, which offers an anti-spyware tool, last month asked the U.S. Senate to rewrite legislation to prevent such lawsuits.

Symantec said it is not asking for money, but is seeking an affirmation that Hotbar products are indeed adware and can be treated as security risks. "We are simply asking for the judge to say that we are within our rights to detect Hotbar," Paden said. The company would then be able to help customers remove the toolbars from their PCs.

Hotbar offers toolbars for Microsoft's Internet Explorer Web browser and Outlook and Outlook Express e-mail clients, according to the company's Web site. Symantec claimed in its lawsuit that the programs display ads based on keywords and log information on the PC user's Web browsing habits, possibly for use in targeted marketing.

Symantec customers have complained about Hotbar products, Paden said. Customers were not clear on what the programs were doing and found that they could not get rid of the applications, he said.

In some cases, the Hotbar programs were installed with other software or when a specific Web site was visited, unbeknownst to the user, according to the lawsuit.

Hotbar isn't at loggerheads with just Symantec. The company has threatened anti-spyware software maker Sunbelt Software with legal action because Sunbelt's CounterSpy product detects Hotbar products as adware, according to a Sunbelt blog posting, confirmed by a company representative. Sunbelt has countered that it won't change CounterSpy, because Hotbar's products meet its criteria of adware.

Additionally, privacy group Truste has revoked Hotbar's right to its seal of approval. The seal is still featured on Hotbar's privacy policy page, but now links to an error page warning that "www.hotbar.com IS NOT A VALID TRUSTe MEMBER WEB SITE."

A new group, tentatively named the Anti-Spyware Coalition, plans to publish proposed guidelines later this summer that define spyware and adware. The group also intends to offer best practices for desktop software development.

While examples of legitimate and illegitimate behavior aren't hard to find, drawing a clear line between programs has proved difficult. The new group hopes its work will offer clarity for software makers, users and spyware fighters.

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The above products installed themselved the first instant this brand new PC was connected to the internet and dispite constant removal and cleaning, continue to install themselves. Do I want to sue the manufacturers who have ruined a brand new PC? You bet I do. I want to know who these people are, I want to know who they represent and I want to sue the pants off them. I think it's time for a class action suit - 4 million a person would be ok with me.
Count me in - I want to nail these theives.

via Facebook 11 June, 2005 04:44
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How about the term bundleware. Software that bundles other items in without giving you the option of not installing them or removing them separately. This is not as inflamatory as spyware or adware yet still allows companies to flag the software as such.

via Facebook 13 June, 2005 20:26
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While I have quit using Symantec's SystemWorks because I feel it has it's own way of taking over one's computer I have to admit that it still authors one of the top notch antivirus programs on the market today, as well as a full range of other top notch software products.

Be that as it may, I highly applaud Symantec, Cloudeight (thundercloud.net), as well as others for standing up to this internet bully that is a master at twisting truth, and misrepresenting itself as being something other than what it really is. They misrepresent themselves as being a Microsoft partner; hardly, and why Microsoft puts up with this lie, and has not challenged Hotbar over this distortion is beyond me. Where are you Microsoft?

I applaud you Symantec, and the other companies that stand up to Hotbar, and doing what is right. I stand with you. Do I believe Symantec will have any problem winning this case? Hardly? A simple petition of their customers I'm sure will yield not just hundreds, but thousands of Hotbar horror stories. Heck, just do a Net search, and you will have enough evidence to fill volumes.

My only other comment is BOO Lavasoft Ad-Aware, and BOO again for backing down from this internet bully known as Hotbar. I will be discontinuing my use of Ad-Aware, and uninstalling it from my computer, unless they get the backbone to stand along the side of Symantec, Cloudeight, and others that are willing to tell it like it is.

via Facebook 31 August, 2005 01:45
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I am sick of being attacked from every side
from greedy,thoughtless,criminal acts against me. I pay for the privilage to have internet access every month. Your junk mail, porn, pop-ups,spam,trojans,spyware,etc STEAL from me everyday. Steal my time,patience,money,and enjoyment!

via Facebook 8 November, 2005 14:41
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