How do you come across these things? Is information on antigravity devices freely available?
Some of it is but it is a combination of what is freely available and what isn’t. Take the Disclosure Project which is a group investigating UFOs run by Steven Greer, a doctor, and he had 300 testimonials in his book from people, ranging from civilian air traffic controllers to ex-commanders-in-chief of NATO, all saying 'yes, UFOs exist, yes certain parts of the military know about this, and have this and are using the technology and implementing a trickle-down thing so that eventually the technology will be everywhere.'
How does the possibility of being extradited to the US make you feel?
Better than I was the first time around [the 2002 case], although it is very similar. I had lots of work lined up which was Internet-related — computer games testing — and I have lost that because of my bail conditions. My landlord wants me out, because of all the press and police attention we had so it is a bit of a rerun of 2002. Lost the flat, lost the work but I managed to keep the girlfriend this time. For a few days it was very dark but I am feeling quite up now because we have been talking to [Conservative MP] Boris Johnson who is leading a Parliamentary Early Day Motion against the 2003 Extradition Act along with the Enron Three [three British bankers who are also facing extradition to the US] — or the NatWest Three as they like to be called now. So together we are trying to get a judicial review going and change the law.
So what is the official position?
I asked my solicitor why the CPS had taken my case away from the UK police and handed it to the US. She was speaking to someone who was fairly high up and he said that it had gone way above his head. Reading between the lines, that means the Home Office.
Is that a good thing?
No. It almost sounds like a done deal to me. The fact that I am not alone is encouraging. We are getting nearly 70 MPs signed up to the early-day motion.
Have you had much response, or help, from the hacker community?
I never really mixed with the hacker community, if you can call them that. In fact, after all of this happened back in 2002, some of them contacted me but they are not really hackers. In fact they are all professionals, but they used to hack, and they are very good and they are a knowledgeable lot. Some know about the law, some know forensic computing, and there has been a good bit of support there. In fact, the Free Gary Web site came from one of those people.
A Web site you are not allowed to use, of course, because of your bail conditions?
Right, I have to collect printouts of my emails and stuff. Which is silly as I have been free to use the Internet for three years, although I haven’t actually had my own Internet account.
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I'm wondering if the IT group is just stupid or overworked. I understand sometimes the business need are put ahead of the IT needs and things are left in an insecure way but this.... The US Gov't has acknoledged this security laps. So now we know. The scary part is wonder what we don't know....
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Accussing someone else of something wrong while you yourself are also in the wrong is the usual defense of those that don't seek to learn from their mistakes. Scape goat, cover up, etc comes to mind.
As such delivering the whistle blower into the hands of those that should really be accussed seems mighty counter productive to me. If they seek to learn they should ask. Ask nicely. If however they seek a means to satisfy their frustrations then they should not be rewarded in such.
Because the real question is still: how could anyone (maybe still?) come so far for so long? What was it that gave them that false sense of security anyhow? And might others be at risk of the same danger? How are things done at high security installations within the EU? Similiair to the US perhaps? If so we have a situation in need of some serious decision making.
Why is this guy getting so much coverage and credibility on this site? He is a criminal, sure people argue that his hacking was maligned and just driven by curiosity about aliens, nevertheless the guy committed a crime in full knowlege that he was committing a crime. Also I don't buy the whole "showing up the flaws in the security" argument it does not apply to the non virtual world so why does it apply to the cyber world?
Anybody else smell a honeypot here? SysAdmins with no passwords, apparently lots of (far too) juicy information, hackers from all over the world poking around for years. Certainly keeps the attention away from the genuine parts of the network...
So, let's celebrate the criminal's actions and put on trial the victim. Everyone is a strategy expert after the footbal or soccer game is over!
Sigh. The man isn't a genius. So either something is seriously wrong with the network security mentioned or the US is looking for a fall guy. Maybe both.
Until it's perfectly clear what happened exactly the man shouldn't be handed over to people that at the moment seem to have other things in mind then justice and getting their act together. If we are to believe their story.
Or would you call sending a man to an US prison for maybe 70 years for basicly walking through an open door and looking around justice?
No. If there's proof then the man should be trialed within his home country first. The last thing needed is some sort of a cover up soap series like trial in the US. You know, with a jury of equals and such. Yeah right.
>What were you doing prior to the most recent arrest?
>I wanted to get the trailing documentation to screw the Americans.
Gary himself claims of never saying such thing. And on another subject, netstat isnt a hacking program for god's sake, ITS BUNDLED WITH WINDOWS!!!.
There should be NO TOLERANCE for this behaviour.
Hackers are a form of cyber-terrorism and should be fought with full force of the law and be shown to other potentilal hackers what their destiny will be.
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With this action of extradition to the U. S. by a government, appears to be a paramount example of BAFFLEGAB to covewr up the technical shortcominmgs of the associated departments. They do not wish to acknowledge that an individual had access to all the systems by putting him before the judge. If he is extradited a lot of diry linnen will be exposed and they may try a plea bargain to cover there problems with fast footwork This is at the point where a lot of U. S. citizens should stand up to be counted as it was their Governments shortcomings that left it all vunerable and that is where the accounting report should go, to a US Citizen.
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This is a graphic demonstration of BAFFLEGAB on the part of the U. S. Legal system due to thier coverup of their own shortcomings on protecting sensitive systems. They are using the laws for their own benfit and not for society in the Staes. If Mr. McKinnon is extradited it will be a bad mark for Mr. Blair at Number 10
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!!
Hackers can be GOOD! Look at microsoft, they hired some of the best computer experts in the WORLD!
And many of them are infact HACKERS!
Also there are "white hat hackers" out there who only hack for the good. In the sence they will try to hack systems/ networks to HELP IMPROVE THAT SYSTEMS SECURITY!
Without hackers you will not be able to beat the hackers. Microsoft is far from the only company out there who hire hackers and or take advise from hackers to help inprove security.
So you see there are hackers who do it for the good of us all. And not all hackers are bad like the "script kiddies" or "black hat hackers".
So please no what your talking about before making statments like "ALL HACKERS ARE BAD".
And i bet the NASA had there systems checked over for security after this hack. So whats bad about that?
Without this hacker, all that information could be open to worse people who could use that information against countrys. People may have been killed, secrets outted.
I Think some hackers are good, and others are bad, and others just like to nose around for free software.
Harold F. Pickering i totally agree with you. But i'm sad to say the US GOVERMENT arnt the first and wont be the last to use the legal system for there own purpose.
This is hardly the 1st time that a non-american has waded into NASA. Its been going on for ages. The US Government's WATS phone system has to be one of the least protected entrances into the backend of US Government servers. The US should be paying hackers ti point out their fallibilities intead of doing their usual and condeming the rest of the world as terrorists.
Scapegoat - UK has had all our secrets since they retained instead of discarding some ENIGMA code machines.
All very nice but check your current affairs knowledge Gary: currently, there are no dictatorships in Latin America.
This sounds very familiar, stories such as Kevin Mitnick, North California University, Cisco, and NASA.
I can't tell you how easy it is to confuse what is openly seen with an attempted possible threat, I remember the days of monitoring firewall log's and finding automated zombied computer inbound intrusion attempts via other computers close by on the ISP's network from comprimised machine's that displayed a legit IP but not from the actual persons machine, just harmless victims that had a high possibility of being accussed of something way above their understanding by those which have no idea what they are talking about to begin with.
It's easy to point the finger and internet security is still not fully established but it's getting there, the concept of gaining access back then and breaching security was as simple as clicking on a hyperlink that came up in a search engine result not even related to whatever you were really looking for that took you somewhere to a website or webpage you didn't neccesarily totally understand, you just kept clicking and reading then move onto the next subject as there was no total password protection, this wasn't due to hacker intelligently comprimising a website that had the ultimate security via a well known company that falsely and openly qouted protection it didn't really offer like other companies that was only in theory at that time, it was due to poor website design, poor search engine results, and accidentily walking into Dillards instead of JCPenny's.
Imagine back then you type in AOL to bring up the main AOL website in a search engine only to find nothing but a secret project deemed "The new and improved AOL, click here to access the new/current website featuring the latest information and news", then you click on the link and it takes you to a link related to an investigation of Charlie's Chicken and KFC, you click a link on KFC and it takes you straight to UFO investigation website and something related to JFK, you click on another link and it takes you to a University such as Polytech University, click another link it sends you back to NASA, that same week you see on TV someone illegally accessed Polytech University and KFC and they are still wondering who shot JFK.
Not only that, often when you hear of a person charged with hacking you hear of how much money was lost, and it's usually some very high figure estimation, this along with a very high prison term, now when I hear something like that I begin to wonder what it was they were really hiding to give such high figures, maybe it's just to scare teens into not wanting to become hackers, dunno, but one thing's for sure, these days, actual losses from hacking unless dealing with deep financial or identity theft would be minimal at best, I mean most things are solved with a restore and a reboot these days, and dataloss is becoming rare.
My biggest point is, if they can gain access to a secure system, the person that's at fault is the person that didn't configure the system correctly or the person that designed the security didn't properly design it, for example, let's say a parent has a gun, the parent, the gun needs to be locked up securely so kid doesn't get ahold of it, the parent doesn't use a lock and one day the kid get's ahold of gun and there's an accident the kid was playing with the gun, well, who's fault is it? You think if the parent locked the gun cabnit the kid might not have gotten ahold of it? If the kid got 70 years for the parents mistake that would be shocking.
In this case, the kid admitted to possibly doing damage to atleast 1 machine, this doesn't mean he deserves a life sentence or the death penalty and I can understand why the British would let the kid go in this case, hopefully, there was a lesson learned by everyone on this.