Symantec error gets vicars in a twist

Daily Newsletters

Sign up to ZDNet UK's daily newsletter.

NEWS

The Church of England's publishing arm has advised clergy to ignore Symantec threat warnings, after its Norton Antivirus product wrongly identified church software as spyware.

Many Church of England vicars use a software tool called Visual Liturgy to plan, create and deliver church services. Four weeks ago, on Saturday, 8 July, Symantec issued a new virus definition which has had "a significant detrimental effect on Visual Liturgy," according to Church House Publishing (CHP), the publishing arm of the Church of England.

Norton's auto-update wrongly identified a file integral to Visual Liturgy as Sniperspy, a piece of spyware. After receiving the update, users were prompted to accept the Sniperspy threat warning and delete the file, called vlutils.dll. This rendered Visual Liturgy useless.

"Up to 4,500 churches with approximately half a million churchgoers have been badly affected by this," said David Green, outgoing new media manager for CHP. "Usually it takes a lot to get a clergyman upset, but we have had a fair few on the phone. There's been no talk of smiting yet, but we'll wait and see," Green added.

Visual Liturgy contains all of the authorised liturgy for the Church of England. Vicars use the software to choose services, plan Bible readings and create booklets.

CHP was deluged with complaints from vicars on 10 July, the Monday after the update was pushed out. Some vicars said that their Sunday service planning had been disupted.

According to CHP, Symantec has compounded its sin by not responding to repeated requests to put the situation right.

"We spoke to Symantec on Monday morning, and were told to fill in an online false positive form. We were told Symantec would respond within four weeks. From our point of view, this was not good enough," said Green.

Green and CHP staff contacted Symantec in London, Dublin and the US, trying to get them to action the complaint quickly, and asking for escalation at each point. They contacted Dublin in the morning and the US in the afternoon, every day for a week.

"We were told we needed to speak to the Security Response Team, but apparently the Security Response Team doesn't take phone calls," said Green.

"We ended up speaking to consumer services, who according to Symantec were the best people to speak to. Consumer services were also getting it in the neck from vicars," Green said.

"Unfortunately Symantec aren't responding to our requests. We haven't heard anything from Norton."

However, Symantec claims it responded to CHP's 10 July request a day later but received no further communication from the organisation.

"Having reviewed the query, the issue was addressed and a response was sent to CHP on 11th July, advising them to run Live Update and respond to confirm that this rectified the signature and corrected this issue," a Symantec spokeswoman told ZDNet UK. "No response was received so two weeks after this initial request, it was concluded that there were no further issues and the case was closed."

Thomas Allain-Chapman, head of publishing for CHP, claimed CHP had been forced to advise vicars to ignore Norton antivirus threat warnings, creating a potential security risk.

Green said: "It's obviously frustrating. Ultimately we don't want to advise our customers to ignore threat warnings, because that's not a good idea, but Norton isn't responding."

Andrew Sweeney, who will become CHP's new media manager on Friday, said it was "hard or impossible for a business to find a way into Symantec" to report incidents like this.

One vicar in Northumberland thought he had been infected with spyware, and promptly cancelled all of his credit cards because he thought someone had all of his data, said Green. It took the vicar ten hours to cancel cards and rectify his online banking situation.

Talkback

Best advice get rid of Nortan and choose another antivirus software program. I've had several run ins with Symantec and I hate how slow their response is to an emergency situation. I am now recommending to others to not purchase their products until they clean up their act and give the customers better information and good software to work with.

via Facebook 4 August, 2006 01:05
Reply

Try the free AVG antivirus from Grisoft - I've been running this for about 4 years with no significant problems, also they currently have no intention of removing Windows 98 support.

Some people prefer the (also free) Avast! antivurus. Either way, people seem to get more problems with the paid for products (particularly performance problems on lower spec machines) than the free ones.

via Facebook 4 August, 2006 10:26
Reply

I would agree that Symantec has one of the worst support infrastructures I have ever had to deal with - as bad as Adobe.

via Facebook 4 August, 2006 14:18
Reply

May the Lord of all ... send his mighty Angels (the two that sorted out Sodom) and smite the lowly Symantec infidel ... or better still the good clergy should hit the uninstall Norton button and grab a good freeware scanner such as that found at avira.com ... peace be with you! :)

via Facebook 4 August, 2006 14:59
Reply

what gets me is how this hollabelu has kicked up because it involves an organisation that pedals in lies myths legends hearsay ,

Now had this been some other (probably more usefull) organisation not linked to any church not a thing would have been said ..

Oh boy how sad the world is becoming .

Get this people there is , never has been and never WILL be a god of ANY description .. when is man going get out of the past ...

via Facebook 6 August, 2006 14:11
Reply

get rid of norton, it is horrible!

the guy who mentions god may not exist could have a point, he has not done anything for a long time, should he show himself to convert the heathens?

Use nod32

www.nod32uk.com

it really is the best antivirus out there bar none!

via Facebook 16 August, 2006 16:47
Reply

Post your comment

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

You can also log in with Facebook. Log in or create your ZDNet UK account below

  • Login

Will not be displayed with your comment

By signing up for this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understood our Privacy Policy. Questions about membership? Find the answers in the Community FAQ

Get ZDNet UK's daily newsletter

Enter your email address to sign up

ZDNet UK Live

txtrainguy

Replying to an old topic that I'm currently facing with my CEO (who is on a Mac). Our servers are primarily Windows Servers, office is about...

4 hours ago by txtrainguy on Windows Server 2008 drops the ball for Mac compatibility
k0tcs3

Sure, that makes perfect sense. Pay wrong-doers money and thank them for breaching your security and pointing out your flaws, that would surely...

4 hours ago by k0tcs3 on US indicts Romanian over NASA climate change hack
Random_Error

I think he's referring specifically to Android apps, as Apple do regulate their App Store, but Google seem to let any old crap onto the Android store!

4 hours ago by Random_Error on RIM: BlackBerry will keep 'garbage' apps out of store
Paul Fezziwig

Keep the crap apps out?! How will they compete with Android and Apple's claim to fame of having so many life changing apps? I wonder if the media...

10 hours ago by Paul Fezziwig via Facebook on RIM: BlackBerry will keep 'garbage' apps out of store
Aigars Mahinovs

It has been shown time after time that if there is an author store that sells the songs at even 1$ per song and gives you a high-quality digital...

11 hours ago by Aigars Mahinovs via Facebook on Copyright isn't working, says European Commission
awbMaven

""As a result of Butyka's alleged conduct, researchers were unable to use the computers for more than two months while NASA removed the malicious...

13 hours ago by awbMaven on US indicts Romanian over NASA climate change hack
subhorup

It simultaneously worries me and uplifts me that a self-proclaimed group of internet activists name themselves after Indian mythical figures....

22 hours ago by subhorup on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
naviathan

It's actually far easier to work anonymously on the internet than you think. With tools like Tor bouncing your traffic around the world before...

1 day ago by naviathan on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
Agnostic_OS

1000272134 and bluedalmatian with you both there but then I'm still in 10.04 land (and happy with it)

1 day ago by Agnostic_OS on Ten factors that make Ubuntu 11.10 a hit
apexwm

Interesting article and definitely see your points on the products mentioned. One of the top products for our Help Desk (approximately 20% of all...

1 day ago by apexwm on Ten flawed products that derail productivity
Paul Hutchinson

Absolutely - this should obviously not be handled my isp - but handled by their hosting operator. What's been suggested here is that my isp police...

1 day ago by Paul Hutchinson via Facebook on MPs urge ISPs to take down terrorist material
Techs UK

Looks like a great phone. I don't notice any deficiencies in WP7. used IOS before, that's pretty good. I don't spend much time in Apps, all i need...

1 day ago by Techs UK on Nokia pins US 're-entry' hopes on Lumia 900
Larry Bloggy

Now with the help of these apps you are always synced with MS outlook while on the move. Just download apps like xobni or outlookreflex and get...

2 days ago by Larry Bloggy via Facebook on Outlook Social Connector beta 2 and the LinkedIn connector
mike40g123

Your details are wrong. The version currently being made is the one with 2 USB ports, 256MB RAM and a network port. This is the Model B. The...

2 days ago by mike40g123 on Raspberry Pi boards set to go on sale
Moley

The thing that has been puzzling me for quite a while is how Anonymous can remain anonymous whilst not only being active on the Internet but also...

2 days ago by Moley on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
Don Dilly

If what Semantec is saying is rue, that is even worse and shows a complete disregard for thier users. If what Anonymous claims is true and the...

2 days ago by Don Dilly via Facebook on Anonymous activists release PCAnywhere source code
MattChurchy

Didn't seem particularly biased to me either. Oh though you might have mentioned some other competitors with free search and email services...

2 days ago by MattChurchy on Time for an evil umpire: Google, Microsoft & privacy
Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe

James - exactly as much as anyone paid you for your comment; I don't feel that I need to say that I'm independant and unbiased, but just for you...

2 days ago by Simon Bisson and Mary Branscombe on Time for an evil umpire: Google, Microsoft & privacy
Carl White

Once they realise symantec are willing to pay real money, they will simply keep extorting, unless of course symantec/authorities can use the...

3 days ago by Carl White via Facebook on Symantec offered hackers $50k in source code sting
Jonathan Hassell

You can find more information on BS 8878 by Jonathan Hassell its lead-author at http://www.hassellinclusion.com/bs8878/ The page includes a...

3 days ago by Jonathan Hassell on BSI publishes first British web accessibility standard