HP faces claims of spying on Dell

Daily Newsletters

Sign up to ZDNet UK's daily newsletter.

Topics

Spying, Dell, HP

NEWS

A former HP executive accused by the company of stealing trade secrets is now saying that he was instructed by the company's management to spy on rival Dell.

Karl Kamb, previously HP's vice president of business development and strategy, was named as a defendant in a federal lawsuit filed by HP in 2005. It alleges that onetime HP employees illegally started a rival flat-screen TV company while still working at HP and it is claiming up to $100m in damages.

Kamb, who has denied any wrongdoing, filed a countersuit in US District Court for the Eastern District of Texas on Friday, according to legal documents. Among Kamb's allegations are:

  • In 2002, HP hired Katsumi Iizuka, a president of Dell Japan until 1995, to supply information on Dell's plans to enter the printer business.
  • That "senior HP management" signed off on the payments to Iizuka.
  • HP obtained Kamb's private phone records through pretexting, the practice of obtaining information by masquerading as someone else. Among the defendants in Kamb's suit are former HP chairman Patricia Dunn and former HP attorney Kevin Hunsaker.

In a statement on Wednesday, HP denied Kamb's accusations.

"This counterclaim is wholly without merit," HP said. "It's a blatant attempt to delay the prosecution of the original case... We intend to vigorously pursue our original claim and to defend ourselves against this action."

The countersuit, which seeks unspecified damages, comes only a few months after an embarrassing episode in HP's history, in which the company engaged in illegal pretexting to obtain the private phone records of journalists, employees and company board members as part of an effort to uncover a news leak on the board. Former HP chairman Patricia Dunn has been charged with four felony counts and has pleaded not guilty.

The new allegations leveled at HP by Kamb do not appear to be directly tied to the boardroom leak hunt. However, Kamb has pointed to some of the evidence that surfaced during last autumn's investigation into HP's pretexting, and a timeline indicates that the company had already employed pretexting for phone records around August 2005.

HP on Dell: What happened HP allegedly paid an ex-Dell exec to collect "competitive intelligence" about what its rival in the printer business is up to. Court documents provide a rare behind-the-scenes glimpse into corporate skullduggery, including code names used (Dell was "Everest" and Canon was "Fuji-san")
HP's complaint: Accuses ex-employees of expropriating HP info when starting new LCD company
Kamb affidavit: Ex-VP Kamb denies it; claims never used "any information proprietary to HP"
Response brief: Japan-based startup, with Kamb as US head, denies any wrongdoing
Kamb's counterclaim: Kamb's counter-suit describes Dell spying
Kamb exhibit: Exhibit in Kamb's brief outlines a "Competitive Intelligence Investigation"

Kamb was a vice president of business development at Compaq Computer when that company merged with HP in April 2002 and was fired sometime in the autumn of 2005, Kamb said in his suit. He was living in Japan for much of that time, and was assigned to research new technologies and to build ties with "computer industry experts", according to the suit. Today he's the US chief executive of Byd:sign, the flat-panel TV company he's accused of founding unlawfully.

HP claims in its lawsuit, filed against Kamb, Byd:sign, and other former employees, that Kamb had threatened to quit until he received a substantial pay raise.

HP asserts that Kamb owned, along with several associates, a significant share of Byd:sign, but failed to tell anyone at HP.

"While still employed by HP, these former high-level employees and their co-conspirators covertly organised and began operating a competing business venture using HP's resources, contacts and trade secrets," HP claims in court documents.

More specifically, HP charges that Kamb was "siphoning" research and development funds from HP for Byd:sign's benefit.

In his filing, Kamb vehemently denied diverting any funds.

Besides Kamb and Byd:sign, HP also named as a defendant Katsumi Iizuka, the former president of Dell Japan.

Kamb acknowledges meeting Iizuka in 2001 as part of his mission to build links with computer experts, according to court records. But Kamb characterises it merely as a business relationship that benefited HP.

Allegations of corporate espionage
The most incendiary allegations come in the new countersuit, which claims that HP executives became concerned with rumours that Dell was preparing to make a foray into manufacturing printers, one of HP's most lucrative businesses.

As a member of HP's imaging and printing group's "competitive intelligence team", Kamb said he was in a position to know that HP senior executives signed off on a plan to pay Iizuka to obtain details of what Dell was up to. Iizuka turned over the information to Kamb and he passed it along to HP, Kamb claimed.

Kamb alleges that Iizuka declined to receive any money but instead requested that the money be paid to a company called "Dinner Inc". Payments were to be handled by a third party. "Iizuka then obtained information on Dell's anticipated launch of its printer business," Kamb claims. (Iizuka had left Dell in 1995 to start his own company.)

HP's version of the story confirms some details, but doesn't discuss the alleged corporate espionage or senior management involvement.

HP's version, in its own lawsuit, goes like this: in October 2002, Kamb arranged for HP to hire Iizuka as a consultant to provide market research regarding unnamed HP competitors. In addition, Kamb arranged…

Post your comment

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

You can also log in with Facebook. Log in or create your ZDNet UK account below

  • Login

Will not be displayed with your comment

By signing up for this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understood our Privacy Policy. Questions about membership? Find the answers in the Community FAQ

Get ZDNet UK's daily newsletter

Enter your email address to sign up

ZDNet UK Live

BrownieBoy

@Jack, > Works really well for thieves.... Nice attempt to deflect the argument by tossing in a point that's totally irrelevant, even it were...

7 hours ago by BrownieBoy on AMD Ultrathins to challenge Intel Ultrabooks
bootlegger

Make that 13 people now - I got refused today at Manchester airport. I thought I was up to date on this legislation - I knew of the EU ruling from...

10 hours ago by bootlegger on UK airport body scans will not be opt out
tinycg

Don't forget to check out apps like GoodReader or SlideShark either, they're indispensible for people on the go in presentation situations. Best...

13 hours ago by tinycg on Four top iPad apps for people on the move
TerryRK

Well it seems there is something a number of us agree on. Why is the Ubuntu Unity launcher so ugly? I thought perhaps it was something to do with...

17 hours ago by TerryRK on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Freebies202

Duplicate comments are not made intentionally. Its very good to know that now you are keeping check on this problem because sometimes a commenter...

1 day ago by Freebies202 on Microsoft fixes blog comments, speeds up blogs with open source
kevinmchapman

"the very significant number of users" and "many (most) of us" - you have no evidence for these statements. It is a fact that most users are saying...

1 day ago by kevinmchapman on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Marg Menzies Harrison

Another grammar faux pas is the improper use of "you". When sitting down down in a restaurant, for example, I get cringe when the waitress...

2 days ago by Marg Menzies Harrison via Facebook on 10 flagrant grammar mistakes that make you look stupid
zdnetukuser

And NOW, folks, for Canonical's next trick... Kubuntu is late. Here's a pencil. Draw your own conclusions. cf.:...

2 days ago by zdnetukuser on Linux Minterface
Moley

@kevinmchapman. The discussion here reflects the very significant number of users who really do like the traditional menu system and who wish to...

2 days ago by Moley on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
kevinmchapman

Er, no... It is an efficient means of finding the application/file/setting you need in one place. The icons are a simply a fallback for when you...

2 days ago by kevinmchapman on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
TerryRK

Isn't the provision of a text based search an admission by the developers that the mass of icons approach does not work? I don't need to use a...

2 days ago by TerryRK on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
kevinmchapman

"Unity and GNOME 3 both abandon the old text-based cascading menus in favour of a graphical icon-driven system." Point truly missed. Both use a...

2 days ago by kevinmchapman on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
TerryRK

whs001 - Thank you, I'm glad you liked the article. I absolutely agree with you on your first point. I should perhaps have made it clearer that...

2 days ago by TerryRK on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Dennis Nilsson

If we allow corporate interest to dictate the way our government circumvents due process against foreign entities then we should accept the same...

2 days ago by Dennis Nilsson via Facebook on ACTA stumbles in Germany
GHar123

I totally dislike pirating of works, I fear that artists will be deterred from creating works if they think that they are going to get ripped off....

2 days ago by GHar123 on ACTA stumbles in Germany
JCB33

How dare film makers, artists or anybody that invests in creativity stop us pirating their works for free. I want to be able to walk into my local...

2 days ago by JCB33 on ACTA stumbles in Germany
Moley

@GrueMaster. I prefer horses for courses rather than one size fits all. I, and I suspect most other computer users, do not really wish to have...

2 days ago by Moley on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
greycynic

The product that scares me every time I have to use it is the Office 2007 version of Excel. The first bug that I found was applying the median...

2 days ago by greycynic on Ten flawed products that derail productivity
GrueMaster

Nice review and very informative. One thing I'd like to add (in reply to whs001's 1st question), the main reason to have the same interface from...

2 days ago by GrueMaster on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint
Frederick Wrigley

I'be been using Mint 12 since the RC came out, and I am far more happy with the Cinnamon, the Mate, and, yes (with extensions), theGnome 3...

2 days ago by Frederick Wrigley via Facebook on A tale of two distros: Ubuntu and Linux Mint