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Google has denied claims that the terms and conditions for its Google Docs service means it owns any user's content published in the application.

Google Docs is part of the GoogleApps platform, which offers a web-based calendar, email and document management system, and allows users to publish and share documents. Google recently announced a partnership with global consulting firm Capgemini to promote its services to the corporate sector, which has remained an elusive market for the offering.

The controversy centres on Google's use of the word "public" in its terms and conditions for Google Docs.

One clause states: "By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through Google services which are intended to be available to the members of the public, you grant Google a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, publish and distribute such content on Google services for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting Google services."

In response to the concerns raised, Google Australia issued a statement, which read: "We don't claim ownership or control over content in Google Docs & Spreadsheets, whether you're using it as an individual or through Google Apps.

"Read in their entirety, our terms of service ensure that, for documents you expressly choose to share with others, we have the proper licence to display those documents to the selected users and format documents properly for different displays. To be clear, Google will not use your documents beyond the scope that you and you alone control. Australians' work documents and [football tipping spreadsheets] are not going to end up shared with anyone unless the user expressly wants them to be!"

A Google Australia spokesperson said: "CNET [US] wrongly claimed if content was published using Google Docs that Google had the right to publish that for marketing purposes. We have no right to share or publish that unless you're intending to publish that yourself."

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Concern was initially raised in a blog by ZDNet.com's Joshua Greenbaum who said: "I know that user agreements are typically ignored by most users, but anyone in the corporate world who ignores this risks seeing their IP in a Google marketing campaign, or worse."

Public or private?
Matt Asay, general manager of open-source content management vendor Alfresco, questioned the use of the word "public", suggesting it would ultimately be determined during litigation.

"Is it private if I share [content] with my company?" asked Asay. "Maybe. Is it 'private' if I share it with my family? Maybe. It's an open question, and guess who decides? Google [or, ultimately, a court], not you. Why? Because the system doesn't provide a way to define what is private and what is public," he said.

Asay suggested that rather than Google amending its terms and conditions, it should offer users a "make this public" option in the interface to ensure the user's understanding of public and private is communicated.

David Vaile, executive director at the Cyberspace Law and Policy Centre at the University of New South Wales, Australia, told said that Google should give a clear and explicit definition of what is "public", as well as an interface that lets users control the attribute on a page-by-page basis and reminds them of this status.

Highlighting potential for the term "public" to be contested, Vaile said it can be construed in different ways, depending on the legal context. For example, in a defamation case, for it to be deemed "public" he said: "Only one other person needs to hear of it or become aware of it … It doesn't necessarily need to be in a public place, but it is beyond you and the subject you were referring to."

However, Vaile said that Google should be credited for its attempt to set out the terms and conditions in plain English.

"A lot [of terms and condition statements] are by lawyers for lawyers, aimed at litigation rather than communication. You have to give people credit for dealing with a difficult problem — to be clear yet specific enough to cover all the possibilities," said Vaile.

On the other hand, Vaile said Google offered two sets of terms and conditions — a universal set and another for its Google Docs service.

"There seems to be some disconnect between Google's universal terms and that for Google Docs. As a question of contractual interpretation, there's some serious legal confusion whether Google's terms of service are meant to be read together or whether the Google Docs terms are meant to read separately… By having two identically named documents, you've created legal confusion and it breaks best software practice by having multiple documents," Vaile said.

Talkback

read the rights you have assigend away from the link at http://www.google.com/google-d-s/intl/en/terms.html

When you assign away your rights, you have done just that, you might own the content but so does someone else, that's what assignment means!

Syndicated of "your content" is also a possibility when you read the fine print.

Your Rights (from Google Ts and Cs)

"Google claims no ownership or control over any Content submitted, posted or displayed by you on or through Google services.

You or a third party licensor, as appropriate, retain all patent, trademark and copyright to any Content you submit, post or display on or through Google services and you are responsible for protecting those rights, as appropriate.

By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through Google services which are intended to be available to the members of the public, you grant Google a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, adapt, modify, publish and distribute such Content on Google services for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting Google services.

Google reserves the right to syndicate Content submitted, posted or displayed by you on or through Google services and use that Content in connection with any service offered by Google.

Google furthermore reserves the right to refuse to accept, post, display or transmit any Content in its sole discretion.

You represent and warrant that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the rights granted herein to any Content submitted."

Breaking this statement up into its constituent parts presents some new governance challenges for organizations who want to contain and protect their intellectual property.

Read again the paragraph that states "..................you grant Google a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, adapt, modify, publish and distribute such Content on Google services for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting Google services. "

I am sure that most organizational IP counsel will not have read the content of that paragraph through to its conclusion and even though the "purpose" is stated, this may not be in the best interests of your organization for a number of reasons outlined in a whitepaper where we raised this issue almost 6months ago in April 2007 at http://www.pcprofile.com/Office_Collaboration.pdf

It also presents serious "governance" challenges about who in the organization has delegated authority to license and sign over content such as is indicated by Google above in the last paragraph.

Organizations need to be very careful about what they want to be listed using Google Apps as it is clear that what is being displayed is being made available “to members of the public” through web search engines as recently evidenced by the issue of Google Calendar meetings and passcodes being displayed about meetings for organizations such as McKinsey etc.

In our view the use of Google Apps needs careful consideration by senior management of all the issues before they jump into these free tools as there are some procedural in-house issues that need to be addressed as well as the issue of Intellectual Property Management that need to be addressed.

The above Ts and Cs clearly states Google have now been granted a license to share in your IP!

Is that what you intended to happen to your correspondence with customers/suppliers, internal documents, product drafts, financial results, budgets and forecasts, new product designs etc etc etc by "....submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through Google services which are intended to be available to the members of the public,........"?

We understand a Google "Powerpoint lookalike" is soon to be released and this will also present some serious IP challenges and Commercial-IN-Confidence issues for C level execs with the content users present inside that tool! Think about what you have see

ITAuditor 20 September, 2007 10:20
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David Vaille said "Google offered two sets of terms and conditions — a universal set and another for its Google Docs service."

To add more confusion, when you Google for "Google Terms" and search again for "Your Rights" you will find there are many Ts and Cs to be concerned about. (some of the links are commentary and there may be duplicates ) see http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22google+terms%22+%22your+rights%22&hl=en&start=20&sa=N

Given that these Ts an Cs cover several different services its worth a look see to make sure that the services you are using fit with your governamce policies etc so as to make sure you aren't in breach.

How many Terms and Conditions does it take to Google?

I think we should all be demanding that Google delete all references to users giving away content licensing rights and Google being able to syndicate your content from any Ts and Cs, before your staff use any Google Apps services!

Then it's left up to management to control the content that get's "publicly displayed".

ITAuditor 20 September, 2007 11:11
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