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Story: RealNetworks cries foul over Microsoft antitrust case

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Posted by: Steve J (Friday 1 April 2005, 12:48 PM)

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Stewart,

Far from being off-topic, this discussion is about a lot of the background of this current case. We've been here before, in the Internet Explorer vs Netscape Navigator instance, so it is correct and relevant to look back at what happened there and see if we can learn lessons from it that may relate to this case.

So, to go back over your points.

1) I am an IT developer and I'm telling you categorically that it is not possible to uninstall Internet Explorer from Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, or 2003. I would like to invite you to try this - uninstall it in the normal way, then run Windows Update, or go into Windows Explorer and type in a web URL. Look what pops up! The reason is, Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are now essentially the same thing. Microsoft tied them together deliberately to sidestep antitrust legal proceedings in the US that would have forced them to sell Windows without IE. In any case, this point is irrelevant so let's leave it there.

2) Of course you SHOULD look for other media players. The point I'm making is that most people won't look for them. Why should they when they already have one? If you've looked at other players and you prefer the Microsoft one, fair enough. Personally I find Quicktime works better for me, but different strokes....

"It is probably only coincidence that millions of people agree with me as far as Windows Media Player is concerned."
- or it could possibly be the fact that millions of people had it installed along with Windows in the first place, whether they 'chose' it or not? Either way, how can we know, because millions of people have never thought about going to competitors? This, of course leaves Microsoft in a fantastically strong position to go after the entire media market, as I outlined in my previous talkback.

And actually flexibility IS power. If I'm thinking of upgrading my system and go to Microsoft saying, "well, if I wanted I could move to Linux/Mac at the drop of a hat", they'll fall over themselves to try and persuade me to install Windows. I'm flexible, but Microsoft want me to be locked in.

In the case of RealNetworks, if I buy my music from them, I can get a version of Real Player for Windows, Mac, Linux, even my mobile phone! Whereas if I'm buying WMA encoded tunes, I can only ever play them on Windows. Buying RealNetworks tunes gives me more flexibility than buying WMA tunes. Ideally of course, tunes would be sold using an Open DRM system that all media players support and the world would be a better place.

3) You say the companies deserved what they got. Why, exactly, did they deserve this? Did Netscape deserve it because they produced a brilliant piece of software, far better than their competitors and thus achieved a 80%+ share of the market? Do you think they *deserved* to be ousted by an inferior (at the time), buggy and insecure Internet Explorer because Microsoft happened to own the operating system everyone used, and thus could push IE on everyone with very little effort?

Now the same thing is happening to Real Networks. They pioneered the entire concept of streaming media over the internet. They were the first, and produced a very good product that everybody used. Now we're seeing the same thing happen as with Netscape. Everyone has Windows Media Player, because it comes with Windows, so as a web developer, what do you release your media in? Suddenly RealNetworks themselves become irrelevant, because noone's producing RealMedia files anymore. Microsoft have once again illegally used their Windows monopoly to force dominance of another market they previously barely had a foothold in.

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Story: RealNetworks cries foul over Microsoft antitrust case

  1. If Microsoft won't comply with the laws of the lan... Steve J
  2. Realnetworks (RealPlayer) cries foul !! What a che... Stewart S James
  3. Real and Microsoft are just as bad as each ot... NJ
  4. It is much easier to understand all this... Anonymous
  5. I Have used both over the last 4 Years or so... Roy davies
  6. this thread is the best advertisement fo... Anonymous
  7. Real Player crying foul !!!!!!!!!!!!! Hypocrites &... Anonymous
  8. Here's an idea, LEAVE MICROSOFT ALONE. Tell RealNe... Eric Duttweiler
  9. Here we go again. RealPlayer was better, did bette... Arthur B.
  10. Are we expected to believe that Arthur B.(Tec... STEWART S JAMES
  11. Media Player files play on my portable m... Alan
  12. Stewart. For one, choice would be not having to pa... Arthur B.
  13. Arthur, Thanks for your comments although I h... STEWART S JAMES
  14. Stewart, you appear to missing several key pieces... Steve J
  15. Steve, it may appear to you that I am "missin... STEWART S JAMES
  16. Stewart, Far from being off-topic, this discussion... Steve J
  17. Steve, You think it is correct and relevant.... STEWART S JAMES
  18. A Real Alternative. For those of you out... STEWART S JAMES
  19. Stuart S James is a complete and utter i... Tomas Alanov
  20. STEWART S JAMES Accountant (& stil... Pascal Van de Vyver
  21. WOW ! Now we have comments fr... STEWART S JAMES
  22. If you have read the basics of... Thomas Earley
  23. Thanks for the info Thomas. At... STEWART S JAMES
  24. STEWART Glad this makes senses... Thomas Earley
  25. Thomas, I do have to admit to... STEWART S JAMES
  26. MOST PEOPLE do not have the ch... Tomas Alanov
  27. yes there are typographical er... Tomas Alanov
  28. Oh dear , I do believe the poo... STEWART S JAMES
  29. Stuart - you are an idiot. Th... Tomas Alanov
  30. Stewart, people who don't learn from their previou... Arthur B.
  31. Arthur, Yes , I am aware of the litigation c... STEWART S JAMES
  32. Stewart, Let's put your IE removal statements to t... Arthur B.
  33. Arthur B. First & foremost , although I do ap... STEWART S JAMES
  34. Stewart, I have RealPlayer installed on one of my... Arthur B.
  35. How does Alanov know ! Arthur, I don't doubt... STEWART S JAMES
  36. Because I am a PC and network engineer.... Tommy K
  37. Stewart, I also find choice important. Even think... Arthur B.
  38. Arthur, Many thanks for the comments & the li... STEWART S JAMES
  39. Do you 2 have nothing better to do?? Mike

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