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Story: RealNetworks cries foul over Microsoft antitrust case

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Posted by: STEWART S JAMES (Tuesday 5 April 2005, 12:19 PM)

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Arthur,
Yes , I am aware of the litigation comments that were made.

Just one (of many ) ways to remove IE , taken from the web , for your perusal.
Yes , it does work.
Now please give it up. This is one argument you (or Steve J)are not going to win.

"Steps:

1. In order to remove Internet Explorer from Windows XP without the Windows File Protection kicking in and restoring the files I am trying to delete, I booted into Windows 98 by selecting Windows 98 from the boot menu.
2. Once Windows 98 was booted I used windows explorer to browse to the drive where I installed Windows XP. In my case I double click the E: drive in Windows explorer, then Program Files, then Internet Explorer.
3. Select all the files in the directory Internet Explorer and delete them.
4. Reboot the computer into Windows XP.
5. Internet Explorer will be gone."

Yes , I did say that I am of the opinion that Netscape and RealNetworks got what they deserved. I also explained why I made that comment and I see no reason to justify that comment yet again.

Your comparison with " Olympic Sports " has me completely baffled.

However , if it is comparisons you want, let us try something a little more obscure but important nevertheless.

Mercedes. (as an example only)
Mercedes manufacture cars , vans , trucks etc.
Every new car , van , truck that Mercedes sell comes complete with a built in radio/stereo/cd player, as with most other vehicles.
Ostensibly made by themselves.

I don't hear Sony , Panasonic , JVC (or any other media application manufacturer) crying foul.
But these are Companies who realise they are in a very competitive market and will endeavour to make their product better.
When the Mercedes contract comes up for renewal they will want to be in with a (real) chance of winning.
If they do not they can always run to the EU Commission and complain. I think not.

It is quite a simple analogy (Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar) to understand.

Microsoft manufacture Windows and "bundle" their own type of Media Player.
Mercedes manufacture vehicles and "bundle" their own type of Media player.
Once the vehicle is purchased the owner is perfectly free to change said media player.
The same applies to people who purchase the Windows OS with Media Player.

If they do not like it they are free to use another.

Whilst on this topic of comparisons there are other points to make.
How far will the EU Commission go?

If they (EU Commission) receive complaints from manufacturers of other programs not dissimilar to :
Windows Back Up, System Restore , Paint , Calculator , NotePad , Movie Maker , Narrator , On Screen Keyboard , Sound recorder , Character Map, Disk Defragmenter , Security Centre , WordPad , Zip Utility, is it sensible to presume that they (EU Commission) having received a complaint will order Microsoft to remove it (any of the preceeding applications) from the Windows OS ?
That , it would appear , is something you agree with. I do not.

Microsoft is not stifling competition , it is creating competition.
If companies realise they have to produce something better , they will , because they will have to in order to stay in the "market place".
And , contrary to popular belief , there are many companies out there who do.

Netscape and RealNetworks had their chance and failed. You will not see the like of RealNetworks again and that can only be a good thing.

You manufacture and market a better Media Player than the one "bundled" with Windows and I will use it.

In my opinion the EU Commission has set a very dangerous precedent with far reaching implications and may well live to regret their judjment.

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Story: RealNetworks cries foul over Microsoft antitrust case

  1. If Microsoft won't comply with the laws of the lan... Steve J
  2. Realnetworks (RealPlayer) cries foul !! What a che... Stewart S James
  3. Real and Microsoft are just as bad as each ot... NJ
  4. It is much easier to understand all this... Anonymous
  5. I Have used both over the last 4 Years or so... Roy davies
  6. this thread is the best advertisement fo... Anonymous
  7. Real Player crying foul !!!!!!!!!!!!! Hypocrites &... Anonymous
  8. Here's an idea, LEAVE MICROSOFT ALONE. Tell RealNe... Eric Duttweiler
  9. Here we go again. RealPlayer was better, did bette... Arthur B.
  10. Are we expected to believe that Arthur B.(Tec... STEWART S JAMES
  11. Media Player files play on my portable m... Alan
  12. Stewart. For one, choice would be not having to pa... Arthur B.
  13. Arthur, Thanks for your comments although I h... STEWART S JAMES
  14. Stewart, you appear to missing several key pieces... Steve J
  15. Steve, it may appear to you that I am "missin... STEWART S JAMES
  16. Stewart, Far from being off-topic, this discussion... Steve J
  17. Steve, You think it is correct and relevant.... STEWART S JAMES
  18. A Real Alternative. For those of you out... STEWART S JAMES
  19. Stuart S James is a complete and utter i... Tomas Alanov
  20. STEWART S JAMES Accountant (& stil... Pascal Van de Vyver
  21. WOW ! Now we have comments fr... STEWART S JAMES
  22. If you have read the basics of... Thomas Earley
  23. Thanks for the info Thomas. At... STEWART S JAMES
  24. STEWART Glad this makes senses... Thomas Earley
  25. Thomas, I do have to admit to... STEWART S JAMES
  26. MOST PEOPLE do not have the ch... Tomas Alanov
  27. yes there are typographical er... Tomas Alanov
  28. Oh dear , I do believe the poo... STEWART S JAMES
  29. Stuart - you are an idiot. Th... Tomas Alanov
  30. Stewart, people who don't learn from their previou... Arthur B.
  31. Arthur, Yes , I am aware of the litigation c... STEWART S JAMES
  32. Stewart, Let's put your IE removal statements to t... Arthur B.
  33. Arthur B. First & foremost , although I do ap... STEWART S JAMES
  34. Stewart, I have RealPlayer installed on one of my... Arthur B.
  35. How does Alanov know ! Arthur, I don't doubt... STEWART S JAMES
  36. Because I am a PC and network engineer.... Tommy K
  37. Stewart, I also find choice important. Even think... Arthur B.
  38. Arthur, Many thanks for the comments & the li... STEWART S JAMES
  39. Do you 2 have nothing better to do?? Mike

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