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Story: Microsoft: Don't sell PCs without operating systems
Posted by: john (Thursday 6 April 2006, 8:30 AM)
There are a number of issues here.
The first is M$'s outrageous business practices which, amongst other things, seek to disadvantage and destroy the 'opposition', primarily Linux, as a matter of deliberate policy.
The second is the matter of personal freedom and choice, which M$ seek, and more or less succeed, to deny.
The third is the presumed guilt of the innocent. Many of us are not 'Pirates', but decent citizens. I quote from a poster adverting a film in UK 'In 1976 I was responsible for my own sins, today I am responsible for every else's sins'
The fourth is the so-called 'Microsoft Tax', which also tends to support the first issue above. I also have (too) many copies of Windows.
The fifth is the power that M$ hold enjoy and exploit almost unchallenged. I didn't vote for them and cannot vote them out. I do not share their vision of the future.
The sixth is that I believe that, as an ordinary citizen, I could not act as M$ does without falling foul of the law. Blackmail and extortion, inter alia, come to mind.
The seventh is M$'s anti competitive practices which specifically mitigate against our freedom and choices, and damage innovation.
The eighth is we don't all want M$ bloated and over complicated software and inflated costs, and I for one do not want Vista having trialled it briefly. In any case it's far from ready. I wonder that they use the name Vista unchallenged when two not insignificant programmes already exist in UK with the name of Vista and I remember how they hound anyone else for marginal infringement of their copyright, even kids and their ' (M$) friends'.
The ninth is that I do not appreciate the likes of M$ setting themselves up as 'enforcers' setting their own agenda to control, manipulate and police us almost unchallenged. We already have a justice system and this must not be privatised, it is already excessively beholden the big business and increasingly does not support the interest of the individual and society as a whole.
The tenth and final point is that in general, I fear for our children in a not so science fiction world of 'Big Brother' where they are all controlled. This is all beginning to happen now. America, in particular, should pay attention to their very excellent constitution and other apt advice from Abraham Lincoln.
Apologies for the length of this post and any possible repetitions, but there are serious issues to be considered impacting on the future, the most serious of which is presumed guilt. Shame we WILL all pay for those who would do wrong.
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Story: Microsoft: Don't sell PCs without operating systems
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Presumably, if Microsoft were in charge of CD / DV... Anonymous -
Well, I've got 4 copies of Windows XP Home th... David Wright -
I agree with this poster 100%. I have s... dc0de -
Large OEMs will never ship without MS Wi... Anonymous
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Well, I've got 4 copies of Windows XP Ho... Stephen Samuel
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Why not build your own PC?
Or I can cust... Zolar
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I demand the right to buy a PC without a preinstal... Chris Rankin
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> Is this the *only* way that Microsoft expec... pgn
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Typical MS arrogance.
The EC (European c... ji -
err Microsoft wants to sell more co... Jon
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you do have to buy a new licence as... D S Panesar
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Well microsoft, try and stop me fro... TIM
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What makes things worse is that the vendor, i... Tim Hanson
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Geez man have you guys got nothing bette... Anonymous
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Mr Anonymous Developer, this has no... Chris Rankin
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I wonder if being forced to buy something you... Anonymous
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I'll make you an offer you can't refuse....
It's i... Anonymous
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System builders should be able to sell PCs wihtout... Matthew
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Think about how old is XP? Today, the life span of... Lupa
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Another example of Microsoft trying to monopolize... smurphy
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mmm... Sounds like Microshaft is running scared. G... Anonymous
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That's right, Microsoft - keep pushing me towards... Rob Davidson
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Computers should come with a variety pack of oper... Anonymous
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Many more heavy-handed tactics like this and... mo
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Funny how everyone - EC commission inclu... Michael Pantridge
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Michael, Microsoft does NOT deserve... Chris Rankin
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Funny how everyone - EC commission inclu... Michael Pantridge
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Have all computers preinstalled with some ver... Zolar
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Every computer should be sold without an OS. Micro... Kilz
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---Companies Selling Preinstalled Linux---
...and... cyber_rigger
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Seems like microsoft thinks that free of choice is... Rodrigo Lazo
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All systems without M$ on it is a potential p... Al Active
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I think this goes into the same category... iandotcom
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As a small business owner in Seattle, I can say th... Anonymous
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Perhaps a class action lawsuit to put them ou... Zolar
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I agree - PCs should nopt be sold without operatin... Leigh Valentine
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Gump, you are a god damned genius.... Noah Fingway
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I would like to see Microsoft come to my house and... Anonymous
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the more microsoft say this year the more the... mike streather
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This makes Microsoft sound like a modern day mafia... Anonymous
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"We want to intimidate all system builders — indee... Ivan Marsh
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It was surprise to know that Microsoft is using sh... Anonymous
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Tomahawk desktop isn't the competition for Wi... sp
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There are a number of issues here.
The first is... john -
I forgot some issues in my earlier post.
The eleve... john
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Think about it seriously and you will see where mi... Anonymous
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Techy, you have it backwards. This is "more m... Chris Rankin
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The last computer I purchased, pre built, was in 1... Oldator
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This is something we can refer to Trading Standard... Sid Boyce
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Of course this is nothing other than a LINUX rant.... Ken Quick
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ms's bullying is well known and I, like most,... r
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I work for a small foreign company who have a lice... Anonymous
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First you must understand that your average citize... David
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The movie ROLLERBALL comes to mind here....
C... Zolar
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Zolar, "building my own" isn't an option... Chris Rankin
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I guess the basic problem is the in... Andrew Meredith
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Well, I personally won't buy a computer that has M... Jaqui Greenlees
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Give customers (us) a wider choice & adhere to tha... Gerard W
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If I were in charge, which I'm not, I would g... Not Bill Gates
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Sell PC with SLAX LIVE CD
It is fast way for selle... Andriy
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No worries....Clothe the PCs in Linux (+KDE/Gnome)... Anonymous
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"Alexander estimated that 5 percent of computers s... Linux User
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you cannot buy a branded PC without paying for win... D S Panesar
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If linux is cheaper, and selling pc's with os prei... Koops
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Interesting thread...
Never having used Linux... TonyGuitar
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Tony Guitar you should try Linux by usin... Tux
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Tux,
Thank you. I cut an... TonyGuitar
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TUX, Thank you for giving me... TonyGuitar
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I wonder if this 'infringes' my human rights?!
It... Anonymous
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Here is the answer to this question
- NO OS sytems... Anonymous
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Isn't it illegal in Great Britain to tie the sale... Anonymous
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