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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

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Posted by: Anonymous123 (Wednesday 27 February 2008, 6:21 PM)

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XML in spirit isn't going to be as efficient as binary

Whoa! Albert, XML by nature is not going to be as efficient as a binary encoding, assuming you follow the spirit of XML. Sure you can do a base64 dump of binary and stick tags around it for example, but that isn't really XML's intention. I've written an XML/object translation library and I know of what I speak.

So what are they doing to "speed up" large spreadsheet loading and saving, or anything else? Tags are tags, and the encoding/decoding needs to write/interpret them. The only way to speed up XML interpretation is to get rid of tags by encoding multiple pieces of information for a particular tag. That introduces portability problems for obvious reasons and defies the intent of XML.

By the way, the controversy over extending things never stopped Microsoft in the past. Again, remember Java?

Lastly, how would it mean downgrading MS Office? If they want speed, use binary. If they want portability, use XML. Those two really don't mix. It's a trade-off. Do both. Doing "performance enhancements" in OOXML, which I suspect is tag-glomming, is NOT proper XML.

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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

  1. Google has invested in competing format Albert
  2. Very nice Albert lars
  3. The rest of the text in the previous tal... lars
  4. Google motivation Albert
  5. Document standards 2000355890
  6. Questioning Google’s objectiveness harpless
  7. Microsoft's Argument is Ridiculous Goldie Simmons
  8. Microsoft double-tongued Anonymous123
  9. ODF useless for Microsoft needs Albert
  10. Which OOXML features in particular can't... Chris Rankin
  11. Features not in ODF Albert
  12. Of course ODF isn't backwards... Chris Rankin
  13. ODF also has backwards compati... Albert
  14. Actually, you're making all th... Chris Rankin
  15. If you plan for incompatiblity... Albert
  16. XML in spirit isn't going to be as effic... Anonymous123
  17. OOXML performance explained Albert
  18. Thank you for an intelligent r... Anonymous123
  19. MS influencing ODF development... Albert
  20. Terse markup for speed -- NOT Marbux
  21. Actually OOXML is not really t... Albert
  22. Do tell me more, Albert Marbux
  23. explaination Albert
  24. Then why does the same spreads... Marbux
  25. ODF better readable but less g... Albert
  26. Extensions are bugs, not featu... Marbux
  27. insufficient and unnecessary standard, designed pu... ator1940
  28. OOXML is fully open Albert
  29. But does even Microsoft Office use OOXML... Chris Rankin
  30. Office and OOXML David Meyer ZD
  31. Then why add "read"... Chris Rankin
  32. MS Office 2007 does fully support O... Albert
  33. 00o writes compliant files Goldie Simmons
  34. No, OOo is not fully complient... Albert
  35. Widespread support for OOXML a... Albert
  36. Questions for the community Goldie Simmons
  37. ODF and OOXML are standards in... Marbux
  38. Albert, give me a single examp... Marbux
  39. Interoperability Albert
  40. OOXML interop is abysmal Marbux
  41. Extensions to ODF realistic ? Albert
  42. Undocumented eXtensions and St... garyedwards
  43. Not 1,500 extensions Marbux
  44. You've got to be kidding,... Marbux
  45. You are contradicting Rupert G... Chris Rankin
  46. MS Office 2007 files fully val... Albert
  47. That's OK, I contradict R... Rupert Goodwins ZD
  48. Actually MS Office 2007 compli... Albert
  49. Open Standards Moley
  50. OOXML is Open Albert
  51. It's a question of greate... Chris Rankin
  52. Believe is in the prove Albert
  53. Interoperability and the binary ODF conversion di... garyedwards
  54. Sorry, the comment was cut short. Here'... garyedwards
  55. Thanks Gary, very informative Goldie Simmons
  56. Reasons for lack of interoperbility in ODF Albert
  57. Durusau's proposal is preposterous Marbux
  58. A bit of background... Anonymous123
  59. ODF, The Big Picture Goldie Simmons
  60. A very Interesting Take Moley
  61. ISO Credibility garyedwards
  62. Tail end of previous comment garyedwards
  63. Cut to the chase garyedwards
  64. Microsoft moves forward with OOXML SDK Karen Friar ZD
  65. Breaking the Web garyedwards

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