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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

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Posted by: garyedwards (Friday 29 February 2008, 8:24 AM)

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Interoperability and the binary ODF conversion dilemma

There are two important issues to consider, especially wherever there are government pilot studies and ODF mandate proposals. The first is whether or not we can convert volumes of existing MSOffice binary documents to ODF, and do so with an acceptable fidelity loss. The second is whether or not ODF plug-ins for MSOffice can convert documents with sufficient fidelity such that MSOffice bound business processes can continue without costly disruption or re engineering.

For the sake of discussion, these issues are often referred to as “compatibility with existing documents”, and “interoperability with existing applications”. Or, as many do, the entire issue is lumped together as “interoperability”.

ODF must pass this real world test to be considered “implementable” or have any hope of success in the marketplace. Unfortunately, for much of the world isn't a clean slate implementation. Conversion of binary to ODF is a fact of life that can't be avoided.

Fortunately the reverse engineering and conversion of the MS binary formats is a sector as rich with success as it is rife with MS inspired turmoil, confusion, and obfuscation. Yes, the binaries have been a moving target. But the conversion sector can routinely hit an 85-95% fidelity and higher on import. Export however is a far more difficult issue.

Given the importance of being able to convert MS binaries to ODF, one would think that the OASIS ODF TC would do whatever it takes to improve conversion fidelity for both import and export. This sadly is not the case. Over the past five years some of the world's foremost conversion – reverse engineering experts have worked on the ODF TC, but have seen their efforts defeated or pushed out to future generations of ODF.

Two names in particular stand out; Phil Boutros and Florian Reuter. Phil was responsible for the outstanding Stellent conversion filters, considered by most to be the best in the business. Florian wrote the da Vinci ODF plug-in for MSOffice, and, the OOXML conversion plug-in for Novell's OpenOffice. Florian also represented Novell on the OASIS ODF TC, the Ecma 376 Workgroup, the Cleverage open source “Translator” project, and the EU-ISO authorized DIN Workgroup “Harmonization” study. Prior to his work with Novell and the OpenDocument Foundation, Florian was Sun's resident RTF – MS Binary conversion expert tasked with assisting and advising OpenOffice/StarOffice community developers.

That the many conversion sector inspired efforts to improve “compatibility-interoperability” within the OASIS ODF TC were defeated or kicked forward to future generations of ODF is a matter of record. But here's something else to consider. Microsoft is claiming that Sun and IBM have had access to the binary blueprints since 2003. I personally don't know if that's true. But what i do know is that Sun and IBM have had the binary blueprints since early 2006. And i do know that in the past two years, neither Sun or IBM have introduced any proposals to enhance or improve ODF interoperability with MSOffice, or compatibility with the billions of binary documents the marketplace seeks to convert to ODF.

So much for the value of the binary blueprints.

If you want to truly understand this difficult compatibility-interoperability” issue, the best place to look is at independent conversion efforts. Sadly, all you'll ever get from the application vendors is a lot of useless finger pointing, heated politics, and refusal to compromise or cooperate. They have a different agenda than that of interoperability with the enemies product line.

And what do the independent conversion efforts tell us? They scream loudly that there is a fundamental difference between how OpenOffice and MSOffice implement basic document structures such as lists, tables, fields, sections and page dynamics. These basic layout engine differences are further complicated by differences in feature s

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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

  1. Very nice Albert lars
  2. Microsoft double-tongued Anonymous123
  3. ODF useless for Microsoft needs Albert
  4. OOXML is fully open Albert
  5. Sorry, the comment was cut short. Here'... garyedwards
  6. Reasons for lack of interoperbility in ODF Albert
  7. ODF, The Big Picture Goldie Simmons
  8. Breaking the Web garyedwards
  9. Google has invested in competing format Albert
  10. Document standards 2000355890
  11. Questioning Google’s objectiveness harpless
  12. Microsoft's Argument is Ridiculous Goldie Simmons
  13. insufficient and unnecessary standard, designed pu... ator1940
  14. Interoperability and the binary ODF conversion di... garyedwards
  15. A bit of background... Anonymous123
  16. Microsoft moves forward with OOXML SDK Karen Friar ZD
  17. The rest of the text in the previous tal... lars
  18. Google motivation Albert
  19. Which OOXML features in particular can't... Chris Rankin
  20. XML in spirit isn't going to be as effic... Anonymous123
  21. But does even Microsoft Office use OOXML... Chris Rankin
  22. Thanks Gary, very informative Goldie Simmons
  23. Durusau's proposal is preposterous Marbux
  24. A very Interesting Take Moley
  25. Features not in ODF Albert
  26. OOXML performance explained Albert
  27. Office and OOXML David Meyer ZD
  28. MS Office 2007 does fully support O... Albert
  29. ISO Credibility garyedwards
  30. Thank you for an intelligent r... Anonymous123
  31. Of course ODF isn't backwards... Chris Rankin
  32. Then why add "read"... Chris Rankin
  33. 00o writes compliant files Goldie Simmons
  34. You are contradicting Rupert G... Chris Rankin
  35. Terse markup for speed -- NOT Marbux
  36. Tail end of previous comment garyedwards
  37. Cut to the chase garyedwards
  38. ODF also has backwards compati... Albert
  39. MS influencing ODF development... Albert
  40. No, OOo is not fully complient... Albert
  41. MS Office 2007 files fully val... Albert
  42. That's OK, I contradict R... Rupert Goodwins ZD
  43. Widespread support for OOXML a... Albert
  44. Actually OOXML is not really t... Albert
  45. Actually MS Office 2007 compli... Albert
  46. Actually, you're making all th... Chris Rankin
  47. It's a question of greate... Chris Rankin
  48. Questions for the community Goldie Simmons
  49. Do tell me more, Albert Marbux
  50. Albert, give me a single examp... Marbux
  51. Open Standards Moley
  52. If you plan for incompatiblity... Albert
  53. Believe is in the prove Albert
  54. ODF and OOXML are standards in... Marbux
  55. explaination Albert
  56. ODF better readable but less g... Albert
  57. Interoperability Albert
  58. OOXML is Open Albert
  59. Then why does the same spreads... Marbux
  60. Extensions are bugs, not featu... Marbux
  61. OOXML interop is abysmal Marbux
  62. Extensions to ODF realistic ? Albert
  63. Undocumented eXtensions and St... garyedwards
  64. Not 1,500 extensions Marbux
  65. You've got to be kidding,... Marbux

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