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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

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Posted by: Marbux (Saturday 1 March 2008, 2:33 AM)

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Not 1,500 extensions

I've already addressed this. The OpenDocument Foundation pulled it off with 5 new generic elements. And the reason OOo uses extensions is Sun's unwilingness to get the extensions it uses added to the ODF spec. It's been an ODF TC work item since 2005 with no action.

The barrier to interoperability is not technical. It is big vendor resistance to interoperability and maneuvering to gain a competitive advantage by manipulating file formats and seeking the ISO/IEC stamp of approval for their maneuvers.

As far as international standards go, both ODF and OOXML need to be thrown in the scrap heap and a fresh vendor neutral standard developed. W3C Compound Document Formats are the logical choice from a technical standpoint. Add a superset profile for the few remaining functions the big vendors just can't live without, and the world is off to a good start.

But rooting for either ODF or OOXML is just lobbying against interoperability. The world needs vendor-neutral formats, not winning application-specific formats.

Or maybe you don't believe that interoperability is fundamental to IT standards work? Here's what Microsoft standards attorney David Rudin has to say on the subject:

The ultimate purpose of a software standard is to enable interoperability between different products and services. If there is no need for interoperability, there is little if any need for a common standard. The point of a standard is to make it possible for devices and services from different providers to work together.

Do you disagree? If so, on what basis? And if you do agree, how do you propose as a practical matter to actually make interoperability happen if we have multiple incompatible standards that are each application-specific? Doesn't the logic you have employed imply that we will need even further XML standards designed for backward compatibility with, e.g., WordPerfect Office?

Backward compatibility is an important issue, but it is not unique to Microsoft's legacy formats. It is insufficient to argue in response that a standard with compatibility unique to Microsoft's binary formats is necessary because so many of the world's documents are stored in those binary formats. If we go by that criteria, many more documents are stored in HTML/CSS than in Microsoft Office binary formats, by many orders of magnitude.

So by that criteria, it is far more important that an international standard be backward compatible with HTML/CSS than it be backward compatible with Microsoft Office formats. And that criteria puts the W3C Compound Document formats as the standard more important than OOXML or ODF.

--Buck ("Marbux") Martin
Universal Interoperability Council

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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

  1. Very nice Albert lars
  2. Microsoft double-tongued Anonymous123
  3. ODF useless for Microsoft needs Albert
  4. OOXML is fully open Albert
  5. Sorry, the comment was cut short. Here'... garyedwards
  6. Reasons for lack of interoperbility in ODF Albert
  7. ODF, The Big Picture Goldie Simmons
  8. Breaking the Web garyedwards
  9. Google has invested in competing format Albert
  10. Document standards 2000355890
  11. Questioning Google’s objectiveness harpless
  12. Microsoft's Argument is Ridiculous Goldie Simmons
  13. insufficient and unnecessary standard, designed pu... ator1940
  14. Interoperability and the binary ODF conversion di... garyedwards
  15. A bit of background... Anonymous123
  16. Microsoft moves forward with OOXML SDK Karen Friar ZD
  17. The rest of the text in the previous tal... lars
  18. Google motivation Albert
  19. Which OOXML features in particular can't... Chris Rankin
  20. XML in spirit isn't going to be as effic... Anonymous123
  21. But does even Microsoft Office use OOXML... Chris Rankin
  22. Thanks Gary, very informative Goldie Simmons
  23. Durusau's proposal is preposterous Marbux
  24. A very Interesting Take Moley
  25. Features not in ODF Albert
  26. OOXML performance explained Albert
  27. Office and OOXML David Meyer ZD
  28. MS Office 2007 does fully support O... Albert
  29. ISO Credibility garyedwards
  30. Thank you for an intelligent r... Anonymous123
  31. Of course ODF isn't backwards... Chris Rankin
  32. Then why add "read"... Chris Rankin
  33. 00o writes compliant files Goldie Simmons
  34. You are contradicting Rupert G... Chris Rankin
  35. Terse markup for speed -- NOT Marbux
  36. Tail end of previous comment garyedwards
  37. Cut to the chase garyedwards
  38. ODF also has backwards compati... Albert
  39. MS influencing ODF development... Albert
  40. No, OOo is not fully complient... Albert
  41. MS Office 2007 files fully val... Albert
  42. That's OK, I contradict R... Rupert Goodwins ZD
  43. Widespread support for OOXML a... Albert
  44. Actually OOXML is not really t... Albert
  45. Actually MS Office 2007 compli... Albert
  46. Actually, you're making all th... Chris Rankin
  47. It's a question of greate... Chris Rankin
  48. Questions for the community Goldie Simmons
  49. Do tell me more, Albert Marbux
  50. Albert, give me a single examp... Marbux
  51. Open Standards Moley
  52. If you plan for incompatiblity... Albert
  53. Believe is in the prove Albert
  54. ODF and OOXML are standards in... Marbux
  55. explaination Albert
  56. ODF better readable but less g... Albert
  57. Interoperability Albert
  58. OOXML is Open Albert
  59. Then why does the same spreads... Marbux
  60. Extensions are bugs, not featu... Marbux
  61. OOXML interop is abysmal Marbux
  62. Extensions to ODF realistic ? Albert
  63. Undocumented eXtensions and St... garyedwards
  64. Not 1,500 extensions Marbux
  65. You've got to be kidding,... Marbux

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