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Posted by: Marbux (Saturday 1 March 2008, 3:29 PM)

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You've got to be kidding, Albert

Albert said:

That is why OOXML is a much better choice for people wanting the functionality the MS Office provided or the compatiblity with the existing filebase. That way we have a documented format in stead of tons of undocument propriety extensions.

By my count, Part 4 of the OOXML specification identifies separate 573 extension points whose functionality is unspecified. Grep for extLst. This is "documented?" Indeed, the only reason Microsoft can claim conformance is that the spec is so poor that it allows vendor-specific extensions to be deemed conformant. ODF suffers from the same fundamental flaw.

If Microsoft and Sun want to play feature war games with their file formats, that's their right. But they are not legally entitled to do so under the guise of creating or implementing an international standard.

No specified conformity requirements essential to achieve interoperability and no demonstrated interoperable implementations equals an illegal international standard. No interoperability equals no competition equals a violation of the Agreement on Technical Barriers to Trade. It doesn't matter whether it is Microsoft's spec, Sun's spec, or anyone else's. Interoperability is the law.

You are failing to grasp that legally, interoperability comes first in international standards and technical regulations. Other factors cannot even be considered unless that threshold requirement is first met. Everything you have raised in this conversation has been excuses for ingoring the interoperability issue.

Are you even attempting to have an intelligent conversation with me? You are really coming across like a Microsoft astroturfer or a troll.

--Buck ("Marbux") Martin
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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

  1. Very nice Albert lars
  2. Microsoft double-tongued Anonymous123
  3. ODF useless for Microsoft needs Albert
  4. OOXML is fully open Albert
  5. Sorry, the comment was cut short. Here'... garyedwards
  6. Reasons for lack of interoperbility in ODF Albert
  7. ODF, The Big Picture Goldie Simmons
  8. Breaking the Web garyedwards
  9. Google has invested in competing format Albert
  10. Document standards 2000355890
  11. Questioning Google’s objectiveness harpless
  12. Microsoft's Argument is Ridiculous Goldie Simmons
  13. insufficient and unnecessary standard, designed pu... ator1940
  14. Interoperability and the binary ODF conversion di... garyedwards
  15. A bit of background... Anonymous123
  16. Microsoft moves forward with OOXML SDK Karen Friar ZD
  17. The rest of the text in the previous tal... lars
  18. Google motivation Albert
  19. Which OOXML features in particular can't... Chris Rankin
  20. XML in spirit isn't going to be as effic... Anonymous123
  21. But does even Microsoft Office use OOXML... Chris Rankin
  22. Thanks Gary, very informative Goldie Simmons
  23. Durusau's proposal is preposterous Marbux
  24. A very Interesting Take Moley
  25. Features not in ODF Albert
  26. OOXML performance explained Albert
  27. Office and OOXML David Meyer ZD
  28. MS Office 2007 does fully support O... Albert
  29. ISO Credibility garyedwards
  30. Thank you for an intelligent r... Anonymous123
  31. Of course ODF isn't backwards... Chris Rankin
  32. Then why add "read"... Chris Rankin
  33. 00o writes compliant files Goldie Simmons
  34. You are contradicting Rupert G... Chris Rankin
  35. Terse markup for speed -- NOT Marbux
  36. Tail end of previous comment garyedwards
  37. Cut to the chase garyedwards
  38. ODF also has backwards compati... Albert
  39. MS influencing ODF development... Albert
  40. No, OOo is not fully complient... Albert
  41. MS Office 2007 files fully val... Albert
  42. That's OK, I contradict R... Rupert Goodwins ZD
  43. Widespread support for OOXML a... Albert
  44. Actually OOXML is not really t... Albert
  45. Actually MS Office 2007 compli... Albert
  46. Actually, you're making all th... Chris Rankin
  47. It's a question of greate... Chris Rankin
  48. Questions for the community Goldie Simmons
  49. Do tell me more, Albert Marbux
  50. Albert, give me a single examp... Marbux
  51. Open Standards Moley
  52. If you plan for incompatiblity... Albert
  53. Believe is in the prove Albert
  54. ODF and OOXML are standards in... Marbux
  55. explaination Albert
  56. ODF better readable but less g... Albert
  57. Interoperability Albert
  58. OOXML is Open Albert
  59. Then why does the same spreads... Marbux
  60. Extensions are bugs, not featu... Marbux
  61. OOXML interop is abysmal Marbux
  62. Extensions to ODF realistic ? Albert
  63. Undocumented eXtensions and St... garyedwards
  64. Not 1,500 extensions Marbux
  65. You've got to be kidding,... Marbux

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