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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'
ODF, The Big Picture
I don't think many in this discussion were cheering the virtues of OOXML as an ISO/IEC standard. One by my count, but I might of missed somebody. Many are familiar with Microsoft's checkered past and legal history. The problem is, as I see it, these types of arguments don't necessarily play well in certain situations, say when your government is asking for public comments on which type of format it should standardize on. It helps to understand the issue well enough where you don't use standard rhetoric which is easily refuted by the other side. For that reason I found the thread particularly illuminating.
Standards should be designed and maintained in an open cooperative effort for the greater good. You make a valid point in that ODF meets this criteria more so than MS-OOXML but let us not lose sight of the forest through the trees and turn a blind eye to problems with the ODF specification. I think Gary Edwards makes a good point that we should be listening more to smaller independent vendors. If the head developer of KDE's KOffice tells us that he can't exchange documents with OOo without risking loss of fidelity and/or content then it' s a serious fundamental problem. Standards should not be holding back the upstarts, they should be allowing our industry to boom. Think HTML.
One final thought and grab your socks because this one is scary. There's a reason Microsoft may not of objected to ISO standardization of the ODF format. As Gary again pointed out “Microsoft is grateful that once an unlimited undocumented eXtension loaded ODF opened the door at ISO/IEC, no one would know how to slam it shut”. So it may not be March 29, 2008, but they figure sooner or later they'll get their own format with their own undocumented extensions pushed through as an official standard. This allows them to legitimize a plan already in place via the Microsoft Office SDK for a conversion of OOXML to a “fixed/flow” document component as a direct replacement for XHTML, PDF and other technologies so dear to the heart of a free and open Internet .
Something to think about.
~Goldie
Gary Edward's article:
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dghfk5w9_94fvpf9scv
Full Talkback thread
Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'
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Very nice Albert lars -
Microsoft double-tongued Anonymous123 -
ODF useless for Microsoft needs Albert -
OOXML is fully open Albert -
Sorry, the comment was cut short. Here'... garyedwards -
Reasons for lack of interoperbility in ODF Albert -
ODF, The Big Picture Goldie Simmons -
Breaking the Web garyedwards -
Google has invested in competing format Albert -
Document standards 2000355890 -
Questioning Google’s objectiveness harpless -
Microsoft's Argument is Ridiculous Goldie Simmons -
insufficient and unnecessary standard, designed pu... ator1940 -
Interoperability and the binary ODF conversion di... garyedwards -
A bit of background... Anonymous123 -
Microsoft moves forward with OOXML SDK Karen Friar
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The rest of the text in the previous tal... lars -
Google motivation Albert -
Which OOXML features in particular can't... Chris Rankin -
XML in spirit isn't going to be as effic... Anonymous123 -
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Thanks Gary, very informative Goldie Simmons -
Durusau's proposal is preposterous Marbux -
A very Interesting Take Moley -
Features not in ODF Albert -
OOXML performance explained Albert -
Office and OOXML David Meyer
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MS Office 2007 does fully support O... Albert -
ISO Credibility garyedwards -
Thank you for an intelligent r... Anonymous123 -
Of course ODF isn't backwards... Chris Rankin -
Then why add "read"... Chris Rankin -
00o writes compliant files Goldie Simmons -
You are contradicting Rupert G... Chris Rankin -
Terse markup for speed -- NOT Marbux -
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ODF also has backwards compati... Albert -
MS influencing ODF development... Albert -
No, OOo is not fully complient... Albert -
MS Office 2007 files fully val... Albert -
That's OK, I contradict R... Rupert Goodwins
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Widespread support for OOXML a... Albert -
Actually OOXML is not really t... Albert -
Actually MS Office 2007 compli... Albert -
Actually, you're making all th... Chris Rankin -
It's a question of greate... Chris Rankin -
Questions for the community Goldie Simmons -
Do tell me more, Albert Marbux -
Albert, give me a single examp... Marbux -
Open Standards Moley -
If you plan for incompatiblity... Albert -
Believe is in the prove Albert -
ODF and OOXML are standards in... Marbux -
explaination Albert -
ODF better readable but less g... Albert -
Interoperability Albert -
OOXML is Open Albert -
Then why does the same spreads... Marbux -
Extensions are bugs, not featu... Marbux -
OOXML interop is abysmal Marbux -
Extensions to ODF realistic ? Albert -
Undocumented eXtensions and St... garyedwards -
Not 1,500 extensions Marbux -
You've got to be kidding,... Marbux








