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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

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Posted by: Goldie Simmons (Sunday 2 March 2008, 6:39 PM)

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ODF, The Big Picture

I don't think many in this discussion were cheering the virtues of OOXML as an ISO/IEC standard. One by my count, but I might of missed somebody. Many are familiar with Microsoft's checkered past and legal history. The problem is, as I see it, these types of arguments don't necessarily play well in certain situations, say when your government is asking for public comments on which type of format it should standardize on. It helps to understand the issue well enough where you don't use standard rhetoric which is easily refuted by the other side. For that reason I found the thread particularly illuminating.

Standards should be designed and maintained in an open cooperative effort for the greater good. You make a valid point in that ODF meets this criteria more so than MS-OOXML but let us not lose sight of the forest through the trees and turn a blind eye to problems with the ODF specification. I think Gary Edwards makes a good point that we should be listening more to smaller independent vendors. If the head developer of KDE's KOffice tells us that he can't exchange documents with OOo without risking loss of fidelity and/or content then it' s a serious fundamental problem. Standards should not be holding back the upstarts, they should be allowing our industry to boom. Think HTML.

One final thought and grab your socks because this one is scary. There's a reason Microsoft may not of objected to ISO standardization of the ODF format. As Gary again pointed out “Microsoft is grateful that once an unlimited undocumented eXtension loaded ODF opened the door at ISO/IEC, no one would know how to slam it shut”. So it may not be March 29, 2008, but they figure sooner or later they'll get their own format with their own undocumented extensions pushed through as an official standard. This allows them to legitimize a plan already in place via the Microsoft Office SDK for a conversion of OOXML to a “fixed/flow” document component as a direct replacement for XHTML, PDF and other technologies so dear to the heart of a free and open Internet .

Something to think about.
~Goldie

Gary Edward's article:
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dghfk5w9_94fvpf9scv

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Story: Google: OOXML 'insufficient and unnecessary'

  1. Very nice Albert lars
  2. Microsoft double-tongued Anonymous123
  3. ODF useless for Microsoft needs Albert
  4. OOXML is fully open Albert
  5. Sorry, the comment was cut short. Here'... garyedwards
  6. Reasons for lack of interoperbility in ODF Albert
  7. ODF, The Big Picture Goldie Simmons
  8. Breaking the Web garyedwards
  9. Google has invested in competing format Albert
  10. Document standards 2000355890
  11. Questioning Google’s objectiveness harpless
  12. Microsoft's Argument is Ridiculous Goldie Simmons
  13. insufficient and unnecessary standard, designed pu... ator1940
  14. Interoperability and the binary ODF conversion di... garyedwards
  15. A bit of background... Anonymous123
  16. Microsoft moves forward with OOXML SDK Karen Friar ZD
  17. The rest of the text in the previous tal... lars
  18. Google motivation Albert
  19. Which OOXML features in particular can't... Chris Rankin
  20. XML in spirit isn't going to be as effic... Anonymous123
  21. But does even Microsoft Office use OOXML... Chris Rankin
  22. Thanks Gary, very informative Goldie Simmons
  23. Durusau's proposal is preposterous Marbux
  24. A very Interesting Take Moley
  25. Features not in ODF Albert
  26. OOXML performance explained Albert
  27. Office and OOXML David Meyer ZD
  28. MS Office 2007 does fully support O... Albert
  29. ISO Credibility garyedwards
  30. Thank you for an intelligent r... Anonymous123
  31. Of course ODF isn't backwards... Chris Rankin
  32. Then why add "read"... Chris Rankin
  33. 00o writes compliant files Goldie Simmons
  34. You are contradicting Rupert G... Chris Rankin
  35. Terse markup for speed -- NOT Marbux
  36. Tail end of previous comment garyedwards
  37. Cut to the chase garyedwards
  38. ODF also has backwards compati... Albert
  39. MS influencing ODF development... Albert
  40. No, OOo is not fully complient... Albert
  41. MS Office 2007 files fully val... Albert
  42. That's OK, I contradict R... Rupert Goodwins ZD
  43. Widespread support for OOXML a... Albert
  44. Actually OOXML is not really t... Albert
  45. Actually MS Office 2007 compli... Albert
  46. Actually, you're making all th... Chris Rankin
  47. It's a question of greate... Chris Rankin
  48. Questions for the community Goldie Simmons
  49. Do tell me more, Albert Marbux
  50. Albert, give me a single examp... Marbux
  51. Open Standards Moley
  52. If you plan for incompatiblity... Albert
  53. Believe is in the prove Albert
  54. ODF and OOXML are standards in... Marbux
  55. explaination Albert
  56. ODF better readable but less g... Albert
  57. Interoperability Albert
  58. OOXML is Open Albert
  59. Then why does the same spreads... Marbux
  60. Extensions are bugs, not featu... Marbux
  61. OOXML interop is abysmal Marbux
  62. Extensions to ODF realistic ? Albert
  63. Undocumented eXtensions and St... garyedwards
  64. Not 1,500 extensions Marbux
  65. You've got to be kidding,... Marbux

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